Home invasion

[Bunnykid68]

interesting reasoning

I don't carry without one in chamber out of fear, it's out of the lack of need. Just like not carrying around the house. If the situation is such that getting it or cocking it is too much, then it was probably bigger than I was in the first place. I would be one step better off than someone who doesn't carry, and perhaps one step behind those who carry fully loaded. I am perfectly fine with that. Magically I went the first half of my life without a gun at all in all sorts of really hairy situations/locations. I'll take my chances that if I ever actually need to pull it, the extra second to rack it is there. Otherwise oh well. Can't go around trying to plan for everything. At least I can't. I would never be able to live that way. But that's just me. It scares me that there are lots of people preparing for a shootout that will most likely never happen. Not because they are "prepared". Because they constantly are trying to analyze a situation and are so ready to draw that the second it would take to cock the gun is too much time to take. To me that extra second might just as well be the one second that causes you to not take a life if not necessary. It could be that extra second saves a life, that being "over prepared" is perhaps a little overboard.

I know my opinion isn't popular in the gun crowd. I'm ok with that. I think it is unfortunate that many people here feel like you either fit into the quintessential gun totin' dude or else you are "anti-gun". Believe it or not you can own without being a passionate lover of all things gun. You can carry without having Israeli trained reflexes with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked. And yes, you can actually have a gun in the house and not have it on your person.

I feel it odd there aren't more like me around here, but then again, those people probably won't go search out gun enthusiast forums. Oh well....carry on....

You are taking so much heat because you have seemed to attack us for the way we are and seem to think negatively about us as a result. If this is not true, then you need to pay attention to what you are writing.

You have already stated that people like me are the reason you carry. Well if that is true, you need to have one in the chamber. That extra second is all it takes for someone to be on you, then it's all over.

I wish you no ill will my friend but you need to show a little more respect to those that you wish to debate and argue with.

 

[88E30M50]

I bet you are just crazy enough that you carry a spare tire in your car too

What? A spare? Now who's being paranoid. I was taught that 75% is passing, so I can live with three tires if need be. Seriously, I made my wife park her car when she tore up a tire until I could get the spare replaced. Then, two weeks after that brand new tire was put on the road, another nail shredded it too. Two tires in two weeks, after going over 20 years without a flat.

 

[J_Wales]

interesting reasoning

I don't carry without one in chamber out of fear, it's out of the lack of need. Just like not carrying around the house. If the situation is such that getting it or cocking it is too much, then it was probably bigger than I was in the first place. I would be one step better off than someone who doesn't carry, and perhaps one step behind those who carry fully loaded. I am perfectly fine with that. Magically I went the first half of my life without a gun at all in all sorts of really hairy situations/locations. I'll take my chances that if I ever actually need to pull it, the extra second to rack it is there. Otherwise oh well. Can't go around trying to plan for everything. At least I can't. I would never be able to live that way. But that's just me. It scares me that there are lots of people preparing for a shootout that will most likely never happen. Not because they are "prepared". Because they constantly are trying to analyze a situation and are so ready to draw that the second it would take to cock the gun is too much time to take. To me that extra second might just as well be the one second that causes you to not take a life if not necessary. It could be that extra second saves a life, that being "over prepared" is perhaps a little overboard.

I know my opinion isn't popular in the gun crowd. I'm ok with that. I think it is unfortunate that many people here feel like you either fit into the quintessential gun totin' dude or else you are "anti-gun". Believe it or not you can own without being a passionate lover of all things gun. You can carry without having Israeli trained reflexes with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked. And yes, you can actually have a gun in the house and not have it on your person, OMG the horror! haha

I feel it odd there aren't more like me around here, but then again, those people probably won't go search out gun enthusiast forums. Oh well....carry on....

Jamesg,

In all sincerity, do what you judge to be best for you and leave others to do the same.

Discern wisely.

I wish you well.

pax tecum

 

[88E30M50]

interesting reasoning

I don't carry without one in chamber out of fear, it's out of the lack of need. Just like not carrying around the house. If the situation is such that getting it or cocking it is too much, then it was probably bigger than I was in the first place. I would be one step better off than someone who doesn't carry, and perhaps one step behind those who carry fully loaded. I am perfectly fine with that. Magically I went the first half of my life without a gun at all in all sorts of really hairy situations/locations. I'll take my chances that if I ever actually need to pull it, the extra second to rack it is there. Otherwise oh well. Can't go around trying to plan for everything. At least I can't. I would never be able to live that way. But that's just me. It scares me that there are lots of people preparing for a shootout that will most likely never happen. Not because they are "prepared". Because they constantly are trying to analyze a situation and are so ready to draw that the second it would take to cock the gun is too much time to take. To me that extra second might just as well be the one second that causes you to not take a life if not necessary. It could be that extra second saves a life, that being "over prepared" is perhaps a little overboard.

I know my opinion isn't popular in the gun crowd. I'm ok with that. I think it is unfortunate that many people here feel like you either fit into the quintessential gun totin' dude or else you are "anti-gun". Believe it or not you can own without being a passionate lover of all things gun. You can carry without having Israeli trained reflexes with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked. And yes, you can actually have a gun in the house and not have it on your person, OMG the horror! haha

I feel it odd there aren't more like me around here, but then again, those people probably won't go search out gun enthusiast forums. Oh well....carry on....

Different strokes for different folks, right? I have no real problem with your desire to not carry at home. It was your original statement that made folks like me, that do carry in the house, out to be somehow bad or a problem that got the dander up a bit. Everyone of us has to make daily decisions that balance cost/benefit/risk/reward. We just need to respect the decisions of others because none of us has lived their life and shared their perspective.

 

[Slapstick]

....................... he believes what he believes and so do i and neither one of us will change each others opinions, so better left alone......... Live life and enjoy it, stop being so uptight.

Please take your own advice. your bickering has turned a thread that had a lot of potential for useful information for the OP and turned it into a hissy fit.

Your constant attacks against members here shows you're either trolling or can't take you own advice and leave each to their own opinions. In the future I would suggest that before you join and post on any forum you take the time to look around, read some posts and get a feel for the "flavor" of the board before posting, that is unless you really are a troll.

 

[the1kidd03]

it's people like that, with that same ignorant mentality and lack of self defense education that I wish the stuff you hear about in the news would happen to and wake them up...rather than other, less intrusive citizens

 

[Crydaddy]

interesting reasoning

I don't carry without one in chamber out of fear, it's out of the lack of need. Just like not carrying around the house. If the situation is such that getting it or cocking it is too much, then it was probably bigger than I was in the first place. I would be one step better off than someone who doesn't carry, and perhaps one step behind those who carry fully loaded. I am perfectly fine with that. Magically I went the first half of my life without a gun at all in all sorts of really hairy situations/locations. I'll take my chances that if I ever actually need to pull it, the extra second to rack it is there. Otherwise oh well. Can't go around trying to plan for everything. At least I can't. I would never be able to live that way. But that's just me. It scares me that there are lots of people preparing for a shootout that will most likely never happen. Not because they are "prepared". Because they constantly are trying to analyze a situation and are so ready to draw that the second it would take to cock the gun is too much time to take. To me that extra second might just as well be the one second that causes you to not take a life if not necessary. It could be that extra second saves a life, that being "over prepared" is perhaps a little overboard.

I know my opinion isn't popular in the gun crowd. I'm ok with that. I think it is unfortunate that many people here feel like you either fit into the quintessential gun totin' dude or else you are "anti-gun". Believe it or not you can own without being a passionate lover of all things gun. You can carry without having Israeli trained reflexes with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked. And yes, you can actually have a gun in the house and not have it on your person, OMG the horror! haha

I feel it odd there aren't more like me around here, but then again, those people probably won't go search out gun enthusiast forums. Oh well....carry on....

James ,Please don't take this negatively.

I cannot help but think that you haven't gone to either a proficiency class or a defensive class at all. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I am right though, please try to see if there is a class near you and attend it.It is a really good tool to sharpen awareness as well as practice safety measures in handling a gun.

You fear us loaded chamber carry Folks. In reality, people fear those that carry and is uneducated.

 

[IndyBeerman]

interesting reasoning

I don't carry without one in chamber out of fear, it's out of the lack of need. Just like not carrying around the house. If the situation is such that getting it or cocking it is too much, then it was probably bigger than I was in the first place. I would be one step better off than someone who doesn't carry, and perhaps one step behind those who carry fully loaded. I am perfectly fine with that. Magically I went the first half of my life without a gun at all in all sorts of really hairy situations/locations. I'll take my chances that if I ever actually need to pull it, the extra second to rack it is there. Otherwise oh well. Can't go around trying to plan for everything. At least I can't. I would never be able to live that way. But that's just me. It scares me that there are lots of people preparing for a shootout that will most likely never happen. Not because they are "prepared". Because they constantly are trying to analyze a situation and are so ready to draw that the second it would take to cock the gun is too much time to take. To me that extra second might just as well be the one second that causes you to not take a life if not necessary. It could be that extra second saves a life, that being "over prepared" is perhaps a little overboard.

Snip because the rest was worthless

Jamesg you're either the coolest operator this side of Modern Warfare or more likely your life has been warped from those rose colored glasses you've been wearing.

Might I suggest you just attend, not participate a class that deals with close quarter combat or home defense and watch to see just exactly how much lack of knowledge and skill you have to defend yourself.

You'll see cold hard evidence that the above bold words in your statement has put you almost surely to a pathway to failure and a more higher chance of death.

You see I also think it is unnecessary to take a life, but I also know that there are people out there that don't give a horse about you and could care less on how much they harm or maim you.

Thinking that you can perform even the simplest task as racking your slide and loading a round is compounded immensely because of adrenaline, tunnel vision and fear, yes I said fear.

You will not have that extra so called second that you say you will have because you will have spent that realizing and reacting to your attacker, he will not freeze when you yell "timeout" or say "my bad" and wait for you. His intent will be swift and hurtful, he will not care or be lackadaisical in his intent to create as much damage to you and anyone around you.

Real Life is not a show on the USA Network and it's surly not a bowl of cereal, it will rare up and bite you when you least know it.

Myself and others on here that you proclaim as "preparing for that which will not happen" will be prepared IF it happens. I plan on being around a few more years than the person who try's to shorten my life.

You have a nice night.

 

[bingley]

bickering has turned a thread that had a lot of potential for useful information for the OP and turned it into a hissy fit.

Well, I did get something useful out of it, but I've stayed away from posting in this thread because I dislike the lack of civility, not just from one person, but from several. I believe we can talk about the reasons for our choices without yelling or putting each other down.

Anyway, I was surprised to find this:

How to Clear a Building with a Firearm - wikiHow

As I mentioned earlier, most courses I've seen won't teach you how to clear a building unless you're LEO or military. I've taken some defensive pistol courses, so I know the difference between reading about something on the web and actually learning to do it from a good instructor. (In other words, I won't try this at home and imagine I know what I'm doing.) Unless anyone knows an instructor willing to teach civilians, I guess we'll just have to make friends with SWAT guys and hope they'll show us a thing or two.

 

[the1kidd03]

interesting reasoning

I don't carry without one in chamber out of fear, it's out of the lack of need.

there's "logic" for ya I have a "need" to carry a gun, but NOT to make it operational in the event of an attack .....so by the same logic, you don't turn your cell phone on until you need it? again, you obviously have never been in a situation where you needed to defend your life, nor know anybody who has, nor had any kind of self defense training...and apparently don't own a tv, get the newspaper, and live under a rock...but hey, that's all your choice right

Just like not carrying around the house. If the situation is such that getting it or cocking it is too much, then it was probably bigger than I was in the first place. I would be one step better off than someone who doesn't carry, and perhaps one step behind those who carry fully loaded. I am perfectly fine with that. Magically I went the first half of my life without a gun at all in all sorts of really hairy situations/locations. I'll take my chances that if I ever actually need to pull it, the extra second to rack it is there. Otherwise oh well. Can't go around trying to plan for everything. At least I can't. I would never be able to live that way. But that's just me. It scares me that there are lots of people preparing for a shootout that will most likely never happen.

If you had ANY relevant firearms or self-defense training you would be informed that most attacks occur in proximities closer than 20 feet and an average man can close that distance before you can draw a gun, much less rack a round in the chamber....those that are aware of real world occurrances, don't live under a rock, and HAVE had necessary training choose to carry condition 1 for that exact reason....hence, they are not preparing for a shoot out, NOR are they "looking for one" as you continuously wish to imply....they ARE however preparing to defend their life with a weapon in the event they are attacked by someone with a weapon...oh, yeah..you would understand the concept of NOT deploying your firearm unless presented with a threat to your life by another WEAPON if you had ANY training/knowledge........but hey, believe what you want since you obviously live in your own little world

Not because they are "prepared". Because they constantly are trying to analyze a situation and are so ready to draw that the second it would take to cock the gun is too much time to take.

AGAIN, NO TRAINING or knowledge.....they aren't analyzing a situation, they are accounting for the vast majority of violent criminal attacks taking less than a few seconds and so they realize they will likely not have time to rack a weapon should the need to deploy it arise

To me that extra second might just as well be the one second that causes you to not take a life if not necessary. It could be that extra second saves a life, that being "over prepared" is perhaps a little overboard.

Do you really know THAT LITTLE about guns and self-defense? You surely cannot and consider yourself a "pro-gun enthusiast"....if you knew anything about self-defense, firearms, and state laws..you would be aware that a gun would not be drawn unless the attacker already presented a threat to someone's life (i.e. a WEAPON) ..in which case it IS necessary to engage and that extra second is going to increase the attackers chance to do YOU harm....if he did not present a threat to your life, then you would not even draw your weapon....the fact that you don't understand this, is what scares all of us RESPONSIBLE gun owners

I know my opinion isn't popular in the gun crowd. I'm ok with that. I think it is unfortunate that many people here feel like you either fit into the quintessential gun totin' dude or else you are "anti-gun".

actually, nobody here feels like you need to "fit in" with our mentality...in fact, most here encourage good debate of different ideals surrounding firearms and training....but do so with FACTS to support your opinions, and present them without stereotyping and insulting everyone else.....however you cannot do this, and with every additional post you make you further prove you sincere LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about firearms and self-defense...in which case you should really keep quiet, sit back, and learn before trying to debate something which you know NOTHING about

Believe it or not you can own without being a passionate lover of all things gun. You can carry without having Israeli trained reflexes with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked. And yes, you can actually have a gun in the house and not have it on your person, OMG the horror! haha

I feel it odd there aren't more like me around here, but then again, those people probably won't go search out gun enthusiast forums. Oh well....carry on....

^^^THAT should tell you something,..but you don't seem to make the connection.........again....you should really sit back and learn more before debating with people on topics you know nothing of

 

[the1kidd03]

Well, I did get something useful out of it, but I've stayed away from posting in this thread because I dislike the lack of civility, not just from one person, but from several. I believe we can talk about the reasons for our choices without yelling or putting each other down.

Anyway, I was surprised to find this:

How to Clear a Building with a Firearm - wikiHow

As I mentioned earlier, most courses I've seen won't teach you how to clear a building unless you're LEO or military. I've taken some defensive pistol courses, so I know the difference between reading about something on the web and actually learning to do it from a good instructor. (In other words, I won't try this at home and imagine I know what I'm doing.) Unless anyone knows an instructor willing to teach civilians, I guess we'll just have to make friends with SWAT guys and hope they'll show us a thing or two.

There are instructors who do teach such tactics, but most do not either because they do not have the training to do so...or they don't want the liability of "arming" a citizen with information that could get into his head that it is a "safe" option....it is something which my associate and I try to inform people, that it is a valuable skill because you never know, however is much more dangerous because you are alone...whereas LEO's have a team of guys clearing a home.....we train for it because you don't know what could happen to you in a combat situation....on another note, some instructors tend to "condemn" those who are knowledgeable of such tactics and willing to teach them to civilians....they believe it to be unethical because it is more dangerous....I on the other hand, believe that it is better to be at least armed with the knowledge, than to be "caught with your pants down" in a situation calling for such knowledge and being completely lost

 

[jamesg]

Please take your own advice. your bickering has turned a thread that had a lot of potential for useful information for the OP and turned it into a hissy fit.

Your constant attacks against members here shows you're either trolling or can't take you own advice and leave each to their own opinions. In the future I would suggest that before you join and post on any forum you take the time to look around, read some posts and get a feel for the "flavor" of the board before posting, that is unless you really are a troll.

actually, if you read the entire thing through, you will see we are still civilly discussing it, no hissy fits, just each others opinions is all.....it appears to me there is room for quite a few more people that are more laid back to help balance things out around here

thanks for contributing

 

[churchmouse]

Silly thing about this whole deal, I have guns strategically spread out through the house.
If I did grab one I would use it to bludgeon any intruder about the head and shoulders.
I would rather smash them in the face as shoot. Lawyers get involved with shootings even in home invasions. Kick the intruder repeatedly in the junk and bust his face up, no worries.The personal contact is much more gratifying and stress relieving or so I have experienced. Oh I would bust one in someones butt if need be but a serious ass whipping does so much good for all involved. I would prefer that. Talk about addled. Talk about issues.

 

[jamesg]

Myself and others on here that you proclaim as "preparing for that which will not happen" will be prepared IF it happens. I plan on being around a few more years than the person who try's to shorten my life.

You have a nice night.

no problems, I'll take my chances, i don't live for the IF's in life.....to each his own, if my description of some people here felt offensive, that was not the intent. It was to express my opinion. Sometimes people get their feelings hurt when you tell them how you feel. It happens to all of us, yes, even you guys have done it to others at some point.

I swear for a bunch of gun totin' guys there is some of the thinnest skin on the internet I have ever seen. and i've seen my share! haha

 

[IMakeGum]

ok, so ummmm, in any of the 190 + replies over 18 pages, did anyone suggest to the OP to get a good pump action, 18.5" barrel shotgun? (I fully admit I didn't read the whole thread...) A couple of those stashed around the house should stop your bad dreams OP....hmmm, nice 1911 style vs. SCARY ASS tactical 12 ga.....

 

[vette3667]

Not that this thread needs more opinions but I once watched a special on the discovery channel about police / self defense training. I forget the exact statistic but it was something like if a criminal is inside of 15 feet a holstered gun is no help. Then they ran several demo's with a guy charging with a rubber knife and no one could get the gun out and aimed. Same theory applies to not having one chambered, having an external thumb safety, etc. I don't carry in the house all the time but the guns are accessable and I want my wife to know all that is required is to access them, point and shoot. I don't even know that she could rack the slide on some of my newer guns. IMO that's one of the worse case scenarios to have a gun to defend yourself and not being able to use it.

 

[the1kidd03]

Not that this thread needs more opinions but I once watched a special on the discovery channel about police / self defense training. I forget the exact statistic but it was something like if a criminal is inside of 15 feet a holstered gun is no help. Then they ran several demo's with a guy charging with a rubber knife and no one could get the gun out and aimed. Same theory applies to not having one chambered, having an external thumb safety, etc. I don't carry in the house all the time but the guns are accessable and I want my wife to know all that is required is to access them, point and shoot. I don't even know that she could rack the slide on some of my newer guns. IMO that's one of the worse case scenarios to have a gun to defend yourself and not being able to use it.

it's actually 20 feet +/-...but otherwise good input my associate and I regularly train this exact same scenario to develop/improve possible counters...and sometime just to see if we can manage to draw and fire in time. ...using airsoft or simunition of course

 

[DoggyDaddy]

ok, so ummmm, in any of the 190 + replies over 18 pages, did anyone suggest to the OP to get a good pump action, 18.5" barrel shotgun? (I fully admit I didn't read the whole thread...) A couple of those stashed around the house should stop your bad dreams OP....hmmm, nice 1911 style vs. SCARY ASS tactical 12 ga.....

I don't think the OP was asking for advice on a home defense weapon, but rather on strategy/strategies should a HD scenario arise with the weapon(s) he already has.

 

[churchmouse]

Not that this thread needs more opinions but I once watched a special on the discovery channel about police / self defense training. I forget the exact statistic but it was something like if a criminal is inside of 15 feet a holstered gun is no help. Then they ran several demo's with a guy charging with a rubber knife and no one could get the gun out and aimed. Same theory applies to not having one chambered, having an external thumb safety, etc. I don't carry in the house all the time but the guns are accessable and I want my wife to know all that is required is to access them, point and shoot. I don't even know that she could rack the slide on some of my newer guns. IMO that's one of the worse case scenarios to have a gun to defend yourself and not being able to use it.

I think that was my point. Train yourself to respond physically. I have always
been more of a "Hands" on kind of fella when it comes to such matters but I am hefty built and must enjoy sharing pain. Not all people are geared this way. It takes time and energy but in this world we live in these things must be discussed. Emergency get out plans (fire, flood, tornado) as to group gathering points etc. Home invasion tactics. My dad had no idea he would be invaded. Nice area, good neighbors, calm no traffic street. Everything you want in the burbs. Why they picked him....old, alone, who knows but they did and he spent some time in the hospital over it. Lucky he is not dead.
Something else to consider, the drug culture has generated a new kind of thief, home invader or what ever. They have no morals, no respect for life and carry a hatred that usually results in death for anyone encountered. Look at the string of convenient store robbery's that even when they give up the cash...shot to death. Thugs are following female shoppers home from the local stores and assailing them in the driveway as they un-load the grocery's. 2 cases out by me I know of personally. Thugs, villains and basic thieves are everywhere. They watch, plan and take as they can. To put your head in the sand and ignore this is just silly. To call us who are prepared to repel boarders
paranoid is just stupid. JMHO>>>

 

[HICKMAN]