officer injured in shootout with armored suspect

[ModernGunner]

What exactly is a "tactical vest"?

It's a vest ya keep yer 'tacticals' in, silly...

 

[ModernGunner]

Sadly, it looks like Officer Nick didn't make it after all. God go with him.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Did they say what type of weapon the shooter used?
Or what type the police had? I figure they probably just had their sidearms.

As why the shooter did not just kill himself.
Maybe he was and the police interupted it by kicking in the door.
The article i read is the police just kicked in the door.
Not sure if they first talked to him giving shooter time to get ready for them.
Seems likely as who wears a vest inside a home waiting for something to happen.
Unless he figured no way ill let the police remove me again since they did the last time.

You are doing a great job of trying to justify the ****bird's actions.

 

[JMoses]

You are doing a great job of trying to justify the ****bird's actions.

Would you expect anything otherwise? Someone on Indiana Gun Owners trying to justify the killing of a police officer....noooo!

 

[actaeon277]

Would you expect anything otherwise? Someone on Indiana Gun Owners trying to justify the killing of a police officer....noooo!

Or, being from NWI, he's pointing out what will be said.

Since INGO is so anti-cop, why are you even here?

 

[drillsgt]

You are doing a great job of trying to justify the ****bird's actions.

I think that's a stretch.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Why would someone wear armor and then self-delete? Seems like he had a head full of bad wiring to me.

 

[actaeon277]

Why would someone wear armor and then self-delete? Seems like he had a head full of bad wiring to me.

Which may be why he lost his job, girlfriend, house, court case.
Or maybe not. Not a lot of info.
Regardless, there are people that have bad stuff happen to, and don't resort to shooting people.
So, any of that stuff is merely an excuse.

 

[chezuki]

Regardless, there are people that have bad stuff happen to, and don't resort to shooting people.
So, any of that stuff is merely an excuse.

This. Many many people are able to cope with with far worse without going off the deep end.

 

[actaeon277]

This. Many many people are able to cope with with far worse without going off the deep end.

Well, to be fair, different people can handle different levels of stress.

But, handle it, or get help.

 

[MrHank]

Prayers for the officer and his family.

 

[TontoKowalski]

What if it turns out he was? I mean, if that's the aspect we're going to focus on, if he was wearing body armor then what?

Well, if it wasn't then it's just sensationalist reporting. If it was armor then it gives some ignorant yahoo an incredibly rare instance that they can point to and say is commonplace as they finagle their legislature into passing a meaningless bill outlawing public possession of body armor of all types.

Requiescat in pace Officer Schultz

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Well, if it wasn't then it's just sensationalist reporting. If it was armor then it gives some ignorant yahoo an incredibly rare instance that they can point to and say is commonplace as they finagle their legislature into passing a meaningless bill outlawing public possession of body armor of all types.

Requiescat in pace Officer Schultz

Why do you think it's incredibly rare? Because the media doesn't tell you it happens?

 

[TontoKowalski]

Why do you think it's incredibly rare? Because the media doesn't tell you it happens?

Is it not rare? What percentage of perpetrators are wearing body armor? If you know, I'd honestly like to hear. I know that in some areas organized criminals are using it more these days, but I can't really find hard numbers.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Is it not rare? What percentage of perpetrators are wearing body armor? If you know, I'd honestly like to hear. I know that in some areas organized criminals are using it more these days, but I can't really find hard numbers.

You won't. No one tracks it in UCR or NIBRS crime reporting, there's no place to indicate if a suspect was confirmed or suspected to be armored. I don't know of anyone who's gathering the information outside of standardized reporting, either. From what I see first hand it is not the norm, but it is certainly not an isolated incident either. I would say its a small percentage, but tends to be the worst offenders. I run into maybe 3-4 times a year where the suspect is either confirmed to be armored or where armor is located in a search warrant of their residence. Narcotics and Gangs probably see it more than I do, as when I've ran into it the robbery suspect also turned out to be a narcotics suspect more often than not.

Criminals in body armor: How many felons wear bulletproof vests? shows the results of a search of subscription news services.

So again, my question is so what? Instead of focusing on the fact an officer was killed your comment focused on if the suspect was truly wearing armor or not. What if he was?

 

[jedi]

I think his/her wanting to know about the body armor is on the same level as me wanting to know about the type of weapons used, number of shots fired, from where, and how. We already know the police and short both died. No neef to focus on that. How they died is of more interest, at least to me.

We have read that the shooter shoot the police guy twice in the chest.
Did the police guy have armor and did it do its job. Is that why shooter then took additional shoot to the head to ensure police guy was dead.
Did the police hit the shooter at all? If so was the armor what helped the shooter stay in the fight.

 

[Wild Deuce]

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[Mark 1911]

Prayers for the officer and his family.

 

[HoughMade]

Horrible situation.

Frankly, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often, particularly in the eviction context.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I can't answer for the others but for me, the main interest would be related to the fact that there has been a recent push for legislation to regulate the possession and use of body armor.

So how is it related? He's not the first cop killer to wear armor, and he won't be the last. If he was wearing armor or wasn't wearing armor, would it enter into your decision making on if you'd support the armor ban or not? How about if I showed you confirmed cases of cop killers wearing body armor? Home invaders wearing armor? Armored car hold up men wearing armor? Would that matter?

That's what I'm asking. If it matters, why? If it turns out he wasn't wearing armor, then the cry will be its just demonization by the media, armor played to role. If he was wearing armor, the cry will be its an isolated incident, you can't regulate it, anyone can cut scrap steel, etc. So who cares? We aren't going to see any "militarization of civilians" threads, any threads about how he used armor to violate the property rights of his landlord and then to murder a cop, etc. With the civilian, the conversation here is always "its not about the tools, its about the actions" yet when its about the police, suddenly the tools become the focus for many people.