Panera bread email response to my email!

[WebSnyper]

Every fiber of my property-rights-are-paramount being screams no at this. But if I use the sort of rationale others have used for supporting homosexual marriage--that being, as long as it's the law that "public accommodations" cannot discriminate based on certain parameters, then surely it wouldn't be such a stretch to include Constitutional rights that explicitly protected.

Yeah, in this case, I'm not thinking more laws is a good thing.

 

[Leo]

Without saying any names, a certain man I know carried into 5 different places of business today that had "no firearms" stickers on the windows. He guesses the signs apply to people that do know that banks, credit unions and Dr's offices do not sell firearms. He is a welcome customer in all the places, always willing to strike up a lively conversation.

 

[Leo]

There area lot of gun owners in this country, but most do not carry at all and do not take part in the forums. Of those who do carry, the vast majority carry without the masses even realizing they have a gun on them.

Business runs by numbers, not emotion. Business will do what they think is necessary to satisfy the greatest amount of customers.

The business of business IS business. They are in the market for profit. Other than a few privately owned companies, none are even interested in making a stance on political idealism, unless they think it will give them a windfall profit.

 

[mima07]

The unfortunate thing as Panera's being a chain restaurant, not everyone who owns a franchise will agree with corporate's anti gun policy but they likely stuck with their policy. I would agree complaining to corporate headquarters and not patronizing Panera's while they hold anti constitution positions.
Courthouses and other government offices don't allow firearms carried on premises either.
As a rule I don't carry at a bank- simply because I'm not sure if there are scanners that might be set off if I walked in CCing.

 

[wcd]

The unfortunate thing as Panera's being a chain restaurant, not everyone who owns a franchise will agree with corporate's anti gun policy but they likely stuck with their policy. I would agree complaining to corporate headquarters and not patronizing Panera's while they hold anti constitution positions.
Courthouses and other government offices don't allow firearms carried on premises either.
As a rule I don't carry at a bank- simply because I'm not sure if there are scanners that might be set off if I walked in CCing.

I was in the local Panera Bread today so told the cashier how much of a pain it was going to be to go elsewhere once they get their no guns sign up. I told her I really liked coming here in the past as its with in walking distance from work. That's where it really got really funny when she said oh you don't have to worry about that. So I said ok why is that? Well because our new sign went up in the dumpster. Appears the franchise owner is very pro 2A. Then she said we want an environment where people can feel safe! Then she said hope to see you again soon.

 

[mima07]

That's quite good. Franchise owners would have as much or more influence with corporate libs. And it makes sense that small business owners care about the safety of their customers. Guess I would change my mind and not write off all Paneras because of corporate running their liberal rants. it's sad that even going out to eat has to become an issue in social politics.

 

[wcd]

Honestly I was really surprised when she said that. I was totally expecting to hear something else. So sometimes it pays to ask more questions because I was really ready justto boycott them. Nice surprise.

 

[Vigilant]

I know that many are going to disagree but if a company makes it policy that I can't exercise my right to carry in their establishment I exercise my right to spend my money where it is welcome.

I'm calling BS on that, you just don't go to the places that PUBLICLY state they would rather not have firearms! I carry everywhere, very few know it, but I have been to MANY places that, while not publicly stating no guns have asked OCers to leave or remove the gun from the premise. MOST corporate stores have a no firearms policy, or will side with state law until pushed into a corner and have to state no firearms.

 

[Vigilant]

Still say the law needs to be changed (and Indiana would be a good place to start), making businesses a 'place of public access'. This would mean that, IF the business advertises and encourages customers to go in and patronize that business, the business then becomes a 'public place', meaning that such limitations would be 'negated' for any such business, and they would have to adhere to the same rules as zoos, parks, etc.

Of course, the business could then choose NOT to advertise for customers to patronize their business premises. MANY businesses do just that (factories, mills, refineries, etc.) They certainly could continue to have and run a business, their choice. But IF they advertised for the public to come on the property to patronize that business, it would then become a 'place of public access', and the same rules would apply as when that citizen is walking down the street, as that is also 'open to the public'.

If the didn't like / agree with that law, they would certainly have that right. They just couldn't advertise, encourage, or allow 'off the street' customers to frequent that business.

Simple.

Why not go so far as to say the government owns everything, and there is no private property? I usually agree with most of what you say, but this is ridiculous! If I had a storefront, my insurance company would surely say that a no firearms sign was required, they don't like the fact that they insure my personal guns, but my commercial premiums make them enough money that if they didn't, I would drop all my insurance with them. But they did tell me if I were ever to open a storefront, NO Firearms signs would be a requirement for my liability policy!

 

[JetGirl]

Panera Bread respects the rights of gun owners

asking that customers*not bring their firearms inside

While I agree that if you wish to patronize them anyhow, CC & a zipped lip are the way to go... This^ part is contradicting itself.

 

[drop45]

I CC there all the time and should the need arise I will create .45 "warmth" of my own.

 

[Bennettjh]

"Panera Warmth" That sounds like politically correct, liberal, touchy feely BS.

That's exactly what I thought. I never cared for the joint either.

 

[LCSOSgt11]

I wonder how that "bakery-cafe" environment will change when a bunch of thugs go in to rob it.

Play silly games, win silly prizes. I'll still vote with my wallet. Panera can forget it.

 

[planedriver]

I tried Panera once, went back the second time to see if it was I though. Yep... A bread sandwich with meat a a condiment. Maybe the milk toast crowd loves it but I'm not going back.

 

[JB357Mag]

I wont deny myself a product or service that I like
or need.

I just carry concealed and go where I want.

Besides its a little F U to them, even though they
dont know it.

Jimmy

 

[88GT]

Haven't they also said they will not approach people who are carrying?

 

[45 LongColt]

I wonder what some of these anti-gun businesses would do if a crowd of legal gun owner/carriers showed up with picket signs saying to boycott them because of Constitution infringement.

 

[Mark 1911]

Haven't they also said they will not approach people who are carrying?

I believe that is correct.

 

[88GT]

I believe that is correct.

So they haven't really changed policy and they aren't going to ask someone to leave.

What is the issue again?

 

[Mark 1911]

What is the issue again?

My guess, political correctness.

Or, in terms of Meriam Webster:
pla·cate

verb\ˈplā-ˌkāt, ˈpla-\: to cause (someone) to feel less angry about something

I guess less angry for some is more angry for others. That's OK, I've never been a big fan of theirs anyway.