Protest Groups Plan to Shut Down Inauguration, Paralyze DC

[Kutnupe14]

LE sting operations do this all the time.

Yep, and I think it's entrapment, and should be illegal.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Nah, I'm good. Anything that comes from people that purposely try to get people to do illegal acts doesn't have any credibility to me.

Then obama's importing of hundreds of thousands of illegal minors must drive you crazy

 

[Kutnupe14]

like undercover police and federal agents? So are you jobsearching?

Hell, no I'm retired. I'm not working for anybody again.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Then obama's importing of hundreds of thousands of illegal minors must drive you crazy

Can't say I'm familiar with that policy.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Can't say I'm familiar with that policy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...ing-southern-us-border.amp.html?client=safari

step 1: bring the kids

step 2: "how can you separate these poor families?! Waaaah. You HaVE to bring their parents over! Waaaah"

 

[Kutnupe14]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...ing-southern-us-border.amp.html?client=safari

step 1: bring the kids

step 2: "how can you separate these poor families?! Waaaah. You HaVE to bring their parents over! Waaaah"

That's not quite the same thing as importing, at least as fair as the definition of "importing," is concerned.

 

[jamil]

Nah, I'm good. Anything that comes from people that purposely try to get people to do illegal acts doesn't have any credibility to me.

I dunno Kut, that sounds a lot like cognitive dissonance. There's a cure for that. Accept the facts and what they suggest.

So let's talk about credibility. Given that you believe that the Veritas reporter tried to pay someone to say they'll do illegal stuff, you probably view the guy who broke that story, Ryan Grim of the Huffington Post, credible.

Given his credibility, before you watch the Veritas video, listen to the audio of an interview of both Grim and O'Keefe and see what Grim has to say about it now.

Warning: it is Sean Hanity. Normally I'd never cite anything from him. It's Grim's and O'Keefe's interaction that is important. If it's too hard to listen to Hanity, try what I do. Imagine his voice is coming from bullwinkle.

James O?Keefe On Hannity With Huffington Post Writer Ryan Grim | Project Veritas

Here's a synopsis in case you find that the bullwinkle thing doesn't get get you past Sean Hanity:

1) Ryan Grim, author of the hit piece on the "counter-sting", endorses the Veritas exposure of disruptJ20. Admits that it was good journalism.

2) Grim admits that that sting operation and resulting video in which Veritas exposed disruptJ20, is completely separate from what he reported as the couter-sting. Which is important since big media has refused to report on the Veritas video specifically because they conflated that video and the counter-sting as the same events.

3) Grim confirms what I said, that the sting/counter-sting was just both sides trying to get the other on tape saying something illegal.

Parenthetically, it's kind of hilarious actually. Moral of the story, if you want to send an under cover reporter pretending to be a rich person wanting to fund "civil disobedience", don't send a youngish blonde chick driving a white pickup truck.

4) In the interview, O'Keefe denies that his reporter initiated the offer to pay for illegal stuff. (The audio itself that was presented as evidence, essentially does what you said is not credible, the dude tries to get the Veritas reporter to say something illegal.)

5) Grim admits that the Veritas reporter did nothing illegal. He was just reporting that Veritas the stinger was stung. (my words)

6) The authorities, counter-terrorism, secret service, etc, told the Veritas attorney that the videos were very helpful and confirmed what they had learned themselves about this group, presumably since it is video evidence of groups conspiring to commit acts of terrorism to disrupt the inauguration.

So. Like I said. Let's see who gets arrested. Probably if there are arrests, it won't be anyone from project Veritas. Grim endorsed Veritas's work; said nothing was illegal. The authorities endorsed their work. Nothing demonstrably false reported in the Veritas videos.

The cognitive dissonance will subside.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Nice job Tucker. Exposing groups that concerning paid protesters.

How a hoax website about paid protesters came crumbling down live on TV

 

[jamil]

Yep, and I think it's entrapment, and should be illegal.

For the record, I agree that undercover cops fishing for people who are willing to pay them for drugs, and then arresting them when they try to buy it, or cops dressed like hookers trying to fish for people to solicit them for paid sex, is entrapment. It shouldn't be legal. And in the same context, undercover reporters doing the same thing, is unethical.

So there's a line, but that implies another side across the line. I do agree with journalists being able to do undercover reporting and exposing what they find. Trying to fish for people willing to do illegal things is on the wrong side of that line. But cultivating a relationship with someone you know or strongly suspect that they do illegal things for money, that's different. I don't see that as entrapment at all. Trying to catch them doing what you already know they're doing is good journalism and is good law enforcement.

I don't know if I've adequately described the distinction. But there is one as I see it.

So, you heard O'Keefe, in the audio (if you were brave enough to listen), denying that his reporter fished. The only evidence we have that she tried to pay people to do illegal things, is the spin that the opponents of Veritas put on it. The facts revealed in that particular encounter can be spun by both sides. In other words it's not really evidence of anything other than the Veritas reporter was "made". Embarrassing, yes. Incriminating, no.

 

[jamil]

Nice job Tucker. Exposing groups that concerning paid protesters.

How a hoax website about paid protesters came crumbling down live on TV

I'll have to take some time to digest this. If it's anything like your link supposedly proving project Veritas paid people to commit acts of terrorism, I'm going to start wondering about your objectivity.

 

[Trigger Time]

Yep, and I think it's entrapment, and should be illegal.

Good because you're right it should be illegal.

 

[indiucky]

Just found out my Brother-in-law is heading to DC from Portland to protest. He texted his mom to let her know he was going and that he loved her. She reminded him that his nieces (my daughter) birthday was on that day and to not do something stupid that ruins that day for her. My wife and I decided that if something happens that we just won't tell the kids and we'll just let him fade into history.

My cousin is going to the march from Portland as well....I wonder if they are on the same bus????

 

[printcraft]

I'll have to take some time to digest this. If it's anything like your link supposedly proving project Veritas paid people to commit acts of terrorism, I'm going to start wondering about your objectivity.

Lulz

 

[hoosierdoc]

That's not quite the same thing as importing, at least as fair as the definition of "importing," is concerned.

So passing a law giving special protection to illegal children that leads to a huge migration of illegal minors to the US is pure coincidence then?

[whisper]If you pass it, they will come [/whisper]

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'll have to take some time to digest this. If it's anything like your link supposedly proving project Veritas paid people to commit acts of terrorism, I'm going to start wondering about your objectivity.

I didn't provide a link concerning terrorism. I don't even think there's a question concerning objectivity. I presented information that runs contrary to what a good number of people on INGO believe; one from a conservative source, one from a liberal source. If you can find anything false concerning either from a reputable source, present it.

 

[jamil]

I didn't provide a link concerning terrorism. I don't even think there's a question concerning objectivity. I presented information that runs contrary to what a good number of people on INGO believe; one from a conservative source, one from a liberal source. If you can find anything false concerning either from a reputable source, present it.

I did. You said you didn't want to hear it.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I did. You said you didn't want to hear it.

Key words "reputable source."

 

[bwframe]

...I'm going to start wondering about your objectivity.

Lulz

 

[jamil]

Key words "reputable source."

So the guy who broke the story that you think says what you say it says, that he later said it says what I said it said is not a reputable source?

 

[churchmouse]

So the guy who broke the story that you think says what you say it says, that he later said it says what I said it said is not a reputable source?

My head hurts.....