Acting Attorney General has been fired by the President

[Woobie]

I was only following orders is not an argument that works. Look at Abu ghraib. Military Intelligence and JAG reviewed the processes and let them proceed. I agree, there are repercussions for your actions. But those come with due process. Those come with a trial and a review of the situation. Not from a megalomaniac that is mad that you didn't blindly follow his word.

But you can't just resign from the military. You're stuck and have to make the most of a bad situation. But Yates was free to resign.

 

[CavMedic]

But you can't just resign from the military. You're stuck and have to make the most of a bad situation. But Yates was free to resign.

She was free to resign, but just quiting when something is bad sets what example. Do I think she had an agenda probably. Do I know anything else about this person, not at all. I do know in that situation she, to me, showed what it meant to be an American. And yes you can't just resign from the Military, but if you were disobey an order that you felt was unlawful you would have your day in court. It then becomes up to you to prove your case.

 

[Woobie]

Alternative Fact, you can say you're Christian and be looked at differently.

Or, you know, anything that isn't the majority religion in your country. I mean, think about it. How ridiculous would it be if an American Christian tried to immigrate to Japan claiming religious persecution. And we are not 90% Christian here.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The implication being, that how Germany handles it's refugees is the exact same way the United States will handle refugees. Which is obviously false, as Germany was essentially taking anyone who showed up at their door.

My impression is this is exactly the position taken by those protesting at the airports, the actors at the SAG awards show the other night, among others.

 

[Woobie]

She was free to resign, but just quiting when something is bad sets what example. Do I think she had an agenda probably. Do I know anything else about this person, not at all. I do know in that situation she, to me, showed what it meant to be an American. And yes you can't just resign from the Military, but if you were disobey an order that you felt was unlawful you would have your day in court. It then becomes up to you to prove your case.

Right, because there would be punitive action taken, which requires due process. What punitive action was taken against her? 30 days in the brig? 45 days extra duty? No, she was fired. Just like you would be at any other job for thumbing your nose at the boss. She isn't elected, she is appointed, and serves at the pleasure of the President.

Resignation on is not bad precedent, it is what reasonable people do in response to these situations.

 

[CavMedic]

Or, you know, anything that isn't the majority religion in your country. I mean, think about it. How ridiculous would it be if an American Christian tried to immigrate to Japan claiming religious persecution. And we are not 90% Christian here.

I used Christian as it is viewed as the biggest and most common opposition to Muslim. But yes, you could use any religion other than Muslim.

 

[gregr]

The implication being, that how Germany handles it's refugees is the exact same way the United States will handle refugees. Which is obviously false, as Germany was essentially taking anyone who showed up at their door.

No...the implication being that there is a long history showing that those from these mooslim countries have males who rape and assault women. We don`t want them.

 

[HoughMade]

Alternative Fact, you can say you're Christian and be looked at differently.

Especially by Islamist terrorists

 

[gregr]

I'd just memorize John 3:16

Please do explain how John 3:16 infers that by God offering salvation to the world that we are to offer up our women to, and bare our necks to the knives of these people...

 

[gregr]

I think the only implication was that among the refugees, there are some criminal a-holes....but, whatever

I just LOVE those with reading comprehension.

 

[Woobie]

I used Christian as it is viewed as the biggest and most common opposition to Muslim. But yes, you could use any religion other than Muslim.

Exactly, because you can't claim religious refugee status based upon persecution in a country where 90% of the population agrees with you and it is the official state religion!

 

[indykid]

Right, because there would be punitive action taken, which requires due process. What punitive action was taken against her? 30 days in the brig? 45 days extra duty? No, she was fired. Just like you would be at any other job for thumbing your nose at the boss. She isn't elected, she is appointed, and serves at the pleasure of the President.

Resignation on is not bad precedent, it is what reasonable people do in response to these situations.

Yes, the former acting AG was appointed by Obama, not Trump. President Trump seemed to be trying to be nice to the Obama appointees by keeping them on to help make an easier transition. Didn't work, and she was shown the door. What would the press be saying if Trump came in and did a hillary clinton and just fired everyone?

 

[CavMedic]

Woobie, I just don't agree with you that quitting when something you fell is wrong is better than speaking up about it. That is why I respect what she did. She knew the consequences. What I am worried about it that everyone seems to just be okay even congratulatory over the fact that she was fired for having a dissenting opinion. If there is no one left to tell you that you are wrong then where do you stop?

 

[gregr]

Especially by Islamist terrorists

Aren`t those in the black garb those filthy, evil Free Methodists? They surely couldn`t be from any group that might be wanting access to America and it`s citizens...

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Woobie, I just don't agree with you that quitting when something you fell is wrong is better than speaking up about it. That is why I respect what she did. She knew the consequences. What I am worried about it that everyone seems to just be okay even congratulatory over the fact that she was fired for having a dissenting opinion. If there is no one left to tell you that you are wrong then where do you stop?

I've found it beneficial when taking such positions, to employ a little hypocrisy test. Did you give such full throated support to Kim Davis in Kentucky when she stood up to having to "give approval" to homosexual weddings and the whithering criticism she took for having a dissenting opinion?

 

[Woobie]

Woobie, I just don't agree with you that quitting when something you fell is wrong is better than speaking up about it. That is why I respect what she did. She knew the consequences. What I am worried about it that everyone seems to just be okay even congratulatory over the fact that she was fired for having a dissenting opinion. If there is no one left to tell you that you are wrong then where do you stop?

She wasn't refused the opportunity to dissent! She wasn't even fired for that. She was fired for not doing her job, which apparently is a difficult concept. You can respect the dissent without agreeing with being derelict.

 

[CavMedic]

Aren`t those in the black garb those filthy, evil Free Methodists? They surely couldn`t be from any group that might be wanting access to America and it`s citizens...

Dr. George Tiller and John Britton, Tennesee Valley Unitarian Church the Olympic Bombings, all killed by nasty Muslims...oh wait it was Christian Extremists...see we all play the look how bad this religion is game.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Aren`t those in the black garb those filthy, evil Free Methodists? They surely couldn`t be from any group that might be wanting access to America and it`s citizens...

Perhaps you should look at this, and cross-reference with the nations on the EO.

 

[printcraft]

Dr. George Tiller and John Britton, Tennesee Valley Unitarian Church the Olympic Bombings, all killed by nasty Muslims...oh wait it was Christian Extremists...see we all play the look how bad this religion is game.

Well, you got him there, that's one. Now you've got 10,000 to go.... get busy.

 

[PistolBob]

Completely. She wouldn't defend Trump's ill-conceived Muslim ban.

There is no muslim ban. Repeating your LIE over and over won't ever make it true.