Go It Alone Scotland!

[Ben Nelson]

Eh, she's just pist because England kicked the he11 out of Scotland in Saturday's 6 Nations rugby fixture and won the title yet again . . .

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Oh, good grief, I cannot stop laughing (ever harder than when I joined this know-nothing, delusional thread), Scotland wants to leave the UK to join the EU. Oh, and it wants to remain in NATO. I can hardly breath. This is too much.

I can just see the INGOtarians drop their L. Neil Smith books out of their hands when they learn that Scotland wants to leave the United Kingdom to join a supranational organization run by Dick Cheney and Haliburton. Tears. Of. Joy.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ould-have-to-apply-to-join-eu-commission-says

 

[BugI02]

But what of the Whisky!!! Oh, the humanity!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

But what of the Whisky!!! Oh, the humanity!

I don't need any. This latest news has me on Cloud 9.

 

[Alamo]

Scotland wants to be "independent" so they can give all their sovereignty to Brussels? Hokay. I have to admit I kind of want to see the Brits cut them loose, so they can go to Brussels and have the EU (Germany and France) say, "What's this? Another small financially unviable country that wants Germany/France to pay for all its socialist nittwittery?"

Even odds on whether EU would be stupid enough to take them in or leave them truly "independent" and broke, trying to get Mother Britain to take them back. Especially if Madame Le Pen wins...

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Scotland wants to be "independent" so they can give all their sovereignty to Brussels? Hokay. I have to admit I kind of want to see the Brits cut them loose, so they can go to Brussels and have the EU (Germany and France) say, "What's this? Another small financially unviable country that wants Germany/France to pay for all its socialist nittwittery?"

Even odds on whether EU would be stupid enough to take them in or leave them truly "independent" and broke, trying to get Mother Britain to take them back. Especially if Madame Le Pen wins...

Isn't it wonderful. I have been laughing for 3 solid hours.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Right then, apparently no independence vote 2.0 . . . for now: Theresa May rules out Nicola Sturgeon?s plans for a new Scottish independence referendum before Brexit, as Lords pass landmark EU Bill following MPs' vote

 

[SSGSAD]

Smoke and mirrors really. Most of the older generation wanted to remain in the UK as it's what they had known their entire lives plus the politicians in the better together campaign used fear tactics to manipulate them. The older folk rely on newspapers and TV to get their news and facts. All of the major newspapers are owned by a few groups and all had a vested interest in keeping the union. The politicians repeatedly told everyone that pensioners would be left penniless and homeless under an independent Scotland and the state broadcaster (BBC) made sure to hammer that message home as well as outright lies about the currency saying that Scotland would not keep the £ sterling. That decison isn't theirs to make as the £ sterling is an internationally tradable currency we can choose to use it if we wish. We could have used Yen, USD, AUD or rubles if we wanted to.

The split is generally down an age line but even within the younger generation there is a clear split along religious and political lines with most protestants being unionist/loyalists and most Catholics being Anti-union/Republican due to an ongoing issue with Northern Ireland. People just following the crowd really. It's a centuries old rivalry of bigotry and hatred and knowing these people I wouldn't put it past them to turn on their own country just to spite their enemies.

Scotland is considered a "region" of the UK like Yorkshire or Sussex so in that respect Scotland receives more in welfare than any other region but it needs to be remembered that Scotland is an entire country plus Islands not just a few square miles of lands like other regions.

Scotland has control over about 1% of it's entire generated revenue I think with the rest being controlled by Westminster and when it comes down to the simple figures we give much more to the UK than we receive. We're the only Oil producing nation in the world with over a third of it's population in abject poverty and that's because our finances are controlled by a people who despise us. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. That's all that's left of the British Empire, they have no intention of letting us go. Surely if Scotland was a drain on them they'd be happy to see us go? Maybe they'd miss all the oil, whisky and tourism money we pump into their economy to keep them afloat,who knows eh?

Smoke, mirrors and lies all peddled to generate fear and uncertainty in politically unaware voters. Before the pro union campaign settled on an official name of "Better Together" they referred to their agenda and activities as "operation fear". Tells you something doesn't it.

Sounds just like the "liberal" media here .....

Just push the "agenda" .....

 

[jamil]

Why is this a slam against INGOtarians?

 

[KLB]

Why is this a slam against INGOtarians?

Isn't most everything in Kirk's mind?

 

[jamil]

I suppose there are some "INGOtarians" here who are ideologues. I look at it more like this. We have no say. We're just spectators over here. If people are wanting to devest themselves from a non-representative government, to move towards at least a more representative government, yeah. I'll root for that outcome.

If they want to divest themselves from one non-representative government so they can be governed by an even more non-representative government, while I recognize I'm just a spectator, I don't support that. If they want a non-representative government, made up of unelected bureaucrats making > half their laws, like the EU is, well I'm just not going to root for that outcome.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Why is this a slam against INGOtarians?

Because Lew Rockwell and his fellow comic book fanboys all hopped abroad the Braveheart train and thought this was about "freedom" or "liberty" or something other than one socialist kingdom wanting to game the system for more treats.

Because they have not read and not studied and thought that the Scottish independence vote was something out of a novel (likely Pallas) or a movie.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The brave freedom fighters of Scotland are raising income taxes to swell the Welfare State. Tears. Of. Joy.

Scottish income tax rises to be unveiled - BBC News

 

[Brad69]

Failed state ?

 

[Mikey1911]

I’m glad I went over there to play golf in 2015, even if I didn’t get to play the Old Course at St. Andrews.

Gotta love the reference to “fair” taxation. Fair, according to whom??

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I’m glad I went over there to play golf in 2015, even if I didn’t get to play the Old Course at St. Andrews.

Gotta love the reference to “fair” taxation. Fair, according to whom??

According to the government and its need to grow the Welfare State.

That's what INGOtarians do not understand. It is a completely different worldview in Scotland. The government exists to give you things, everything.

Santa Clause government takes money to operate to give you your unlimited wants. Thus, there is no objection to raising taxes because you believe you will get more free stuff than you pay out. Plus you have 8 weeks of vacation, you are not working that much anymore.

Liberty cannot co-exist with the Welfare State. Matter vs. anti-Matter.

 

[Alpo]

Not as many lawyers though.

There's that......

 

[HoughMade]

...Plus you have 8 weeks of vacation, you are not working that much anymore....

Note that something like this only works in a Welfare State or in the micro-welfare state mandated by a CBA. I've never really wanted a job that had copious amounts of paid vacation as letting your employer know that they can operate just fine when you are gone never seemed like a great idea to me.

...but I digress.

 

[Alamo]

Note that something like this only works in a Welfare State or in the micro-welfare state mandated by a CBA. I've never really wanted a job that had copious amounts of paid vacation as letting your employer know that they can operate just fine when you are gone never seemed like a great idea to me.

...but I digress.

In otherwords pretty common among the western European nations. When I was stationed in Europe many years ago I was told that the Belgian government, instead of giving raises to their military, just gave them more days off. I dunno if this was actually true, but it was true the the Belgies got a LOT of vacation time. So much so that one the standard cartoons passed around NATO offices showed a stereotype of each NATO military member. The Belgian one just showed an empty desk with a "On holiday" sign and a couple of calendars on the wall marking out days off. (The one for Americans showed a guy pointing to a rulebook).

 

[JettaKnight]

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