Broad Ripple Pub Not Gun Friendly

[actaeon277]

Because it's a win win scenario.

Best case scenario you rob everyone, make a ton of money, and get away. Worst case scenario you get no money, get locked up, do a couple years of hard Marion county probation where probation violations are non existent, sue the police for being too aggressive or having bad breath or whatever, then get thousands from the city who settle out of court. Regardless of the scenario you get money with no punishment, and are able to do it all over again! Then you get to reproduce making several dependent deductions that carry on your awesome legacy exponentially into the future.

"You've been here before, haven't ya?"
[video=youtube;wk7fYBw6PfQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk7fYBw6PfQ[/video]

 

[vitamink]

All day every day!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I still cannot fathom why an individual would risk 20 years of their life, for 300 dollars.... actually 100 dollars since it would be split 3 ways.

Robbery? Almost always high.

In 20 years I've yet to have a robbery where the guy(s) were sober, to my memory.

 

[femurphy77]

I still cannot fathom why an individual would risk 20 years of their life, for 300 dollars.... actually 100 dollars since it would be split 3 ways.

I actually spoke to someone about that very topic one day and he told me (paraphrased) That's how we role in the 'hood, you live your life for now because 5 minutes from now isn't guaranteed!

Not sure how you'd respond to that.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Not sure how you'd respond to that.

By reading a book:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1566635055...vptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_5g7e8zxarw_b

 

[cobber]

Robbery? Almost always high.

In 20 years I've yet to have a robbery where the guy(s) were sober, to my memory.

As far as you knew. There still seems to be an impression among the criminal class that it doesn't count if you were drunk...

 

[Fargo]

I still cannot fathom why an individual would risk 20 years of their life, for 300 dollars.... actually 100 dollars since it would be split 3 ways.

Keep in mind also that a more than significant quantity of robberies are drug rips in bad neighborhoods that are either never reported or have "less than cooperative" victims. A lot of guys seem to get the idea that robberies are easy money since this is where they start out and there is almost never a legal consequence.

That thinking tends to bleed over, especially when high...

 

[Kirk Freeman]

There still seems to be an impression among the criminal class that it doesn't count if you were drunk...

Even Murder. "Oh, I was so high I don't remember so I can't be guilty."

 

[rhino]

Hmmm . . .

 

[vitamink]

Even Murder. "Oh, I was so high I don't remember so I can't be guilty."

I've seen that defense work in Marion county. The jury felt that since Vic/def were at a bar drinking that neither could be responsible for their actions. The guy got released and killed a 19yr old right after.

 

[Informed Decision]

I have a question based on thread discussion .. If you are in an establishment that does have signs posted & something happens where you end up drawing your weapon or maybe using it, what would be the possible consequences for you above the normal defense of my life or another stories that we're told justifies use. I wasn't supposed to have been there with a weapon ,so I suspect law suit city by someone which could include the proprietor / the other patrons / the (living) thief / the dead thief's family, you name it.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I have a question based on thread discussion .. If you are in an establishment that does have signs posted & something happens where you end up drawing your weapon or maybe using it, what would be the possible consequences for you above the normal defense of my life or another stories that we're told justifies use. I wasn't supposed to have been there with a weapon ,so I suspect law suit city by someone which could include the proprietor / the other patrons / the (living) thief / the dead thief's family, you name it.

For a case to have merit, the person bringing it has to have "standing", meaning they had to have suffered a harm. The thief or his family, perhaps. The proprietor? They might have grounds to sue for patching bullet holes in the wall or carpet cleaning fees, but not solely for you drawing your gun that you weren't theoretically allowed to have there. The other patrons? Maybe someone had a brief case of tinnitus (ringing in the ear) from the gunfire, but I doubt that would be enough of a harm to sue over. There is always the matter of a countersuit, too, given that they've now identified themselves as having committed the crime, and your loss of time and property, not to mention now legal fees to defend yourself a second time (in court) are a demonstrable loss that the perp has all but admitted to causing.

The only thing that makes these low-lifes continue with the lawsuit route is that most of us are above-board enough that we don't try to become independently rich on the backs of others.... that, and the fact that some lawyers will take a case like this on contingency, meaning they only collect if they win- a plus for either the family or the low-life him/herself, who would not have been committing a robbery if they had money. You may win a judgment, but collecting the cash is another matter entirely.

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Blessings,
Bill

 

[halfmileharry]

Desperation

There's NO risk to the bad guys. It's their lifestyle and there's little downside for them other than lead to the head.