Disarmed - -1 for LEO

[ATM]

What exactly do you guys think a LTCH tells an officer about a person?

That every other right of that person may also be infringed?

 

[Dirtebiker]

What exactly do you guys think a LTCH tells an officer about a person?

It's SUPPOSED to tell you (barring any perceived crime) to cease any/all questioning about the holders handgun(s).
Call in his LTCH if you want to make sure it's vaid.

 

[BearFodder]

Based on my previous readings of the interwebs, Office Safety seems to be a trump card. When this card is played the 2 c's come into play.
a. Comply now
b. Complain later

 

[Kutnupe14]

Based on my previous readings of the interwebs, Office Safety seems to be a trump card. When this card is played the 2 c's come into play.
a. Comply now
or
a.5 Comedy
b. Complain later

FIFY

 

[SteveM4A1]

Random? For some reason, I think for these FHP Troopers, this is standard practice.

Standard practice makes it ok? Do you run serial numbers as standard practice, or do you just support the unconstitutional acts of other officers on the internet?

Seriously, you should check the gallon of milk I have in the back of my car to make sure it isn't stolen as well. After all, you don't really know that I didn't steal it....

Do cell phones have a body count attached to their intended use?

What objects don't have body counts attached to them? Like I said, you better check that gallon of milk I have...

 

[Drail]

And we should check out your Mama for VD because she might be a hooker spreading AIDS all over the neighborhood. Just can't take any chances, right? It's a public health issue, right? "Officer safety" is a farce. Having other people handle your gun who may not have the slightest idea how it works is not SAFE. It's about submission - not safety.

 

[HoughMade]

Licensed hunters steal.... so why can't licensed gun owners?

Licensed drivers run people over...sometimes on purpose, every day.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Licensed drivers run people over...sometimes on purpose, every day.

Lol, you know that's a bad example, right?

 

[HoughMade]

I've made worse arguments.

 

[TheSpark]

There is no reason for an officer in my opinion to take away someone's gun for a simple traffic stop, especially if the officer only knows about the gun because the person told them.

Side note: never tell an officer you have a gun unless legally required to or they are about to discover it.

Frankly, if someone is going to use a gun against an officer the officer is not going to find out about the gun until a split second before the first bullet is fired at them. A gun they know about because someone told them they have it is not even a slightest threat to them.

Pretty sure florida is not a must inform state so the biggest mistake here was answering he does have a gun. The correct answer should have been "nothing illegal" or "no comment".

As for the officers in this video: My opinion is if they were truly scared they should have just had one officer watch him while they other did the ticket.

 

[Drail]

They're not scared. They just want you to get down on your knees every time you see that badge. No thank you.

 

[actaeon277]

They're not scared. They just want you to get down on your knees every time you see that badge. No thank you.

"They"?

 

[Drail]

"They" would be the officers who insist on disarming you "for their safety". Some will. Some won't. If "they" do not feel safe - I don't really care. That would be a personal problem "they" have and not a reason for me to surrender my Fourth Amendment rights. I don't feel safe around certain people. I don't demand that they be searched and disarmed because of it. "They" can either show respect for the Constitution - or not. "They" swore an oath to uphold it - so did I.

 

[Kutnupe14]

"They" would be the officers who insist on disarming you "for their safety". Some will. Some won't. If "they" do not feel safe - I don't really care. That would be a personal problem "they" have and not a reason for me to surrender my Fourth Amendment rights. I don't feel safe around certain people. I don't demand that they be searched and disarmed because of it. "They" can either show respect for the Constitution - or not. "They" swore an oath to uphold it - so did I.

I'm not so sure that temporarily taking a firearm during a traffic stop is disrespecting/violating the Constitution. I think, concerning Indiana, it's simply bad practice.

 

[SteveM4A1]

I'm not so sure that temporarily taking a firearm during a traffic stop is disrespecting/violating the Constitution. I think, concerning Indiana, it's simply bad practice.

If the officer truly fears for his safety and there is evidence to support that feeling, then I would agree. Otherwise, I would not agree that temporary seizure of property with no RAS isn't unconstitutional.

 

[TheSpark]

If the officer truly fears for his safety and there is evidence to support that feeling, then I would agree. Otherwise, I would not agree that temporary seizure of property with no RAS isn't unconstitutional.

If you really want to drive a point into an officer that takes your gun.... after he tells you good day or whatever when you are free to go just say "thanks, you too. By the way I had another gun on me the whole time and then instantly drive away."

Maybe then the officer will learn it is what he doesn't know about that might hurt him. Not what he does know about.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If you really want to drive a point into an officer that takes your gun.... after he tells you good day or whatever when you are free to go just say "thanks, you too. By the way I had another gun on me the whole time and then instantly drive away."

Maybe then the officer will learn it is what he doesn't know about that might hurt him. Not what he does know about.

How about after the stop is over, you engage the officer in a polite conversation? Obviously you can't do that with all officers (some being jbt), but I bet many would engage.

 

[TheSpark]

How about after the stop is over, you engage the officer in a polite conversation? Obviously you can't do that with all officers (some being jbt), but I bet many would engage.

I don't think any officer who takes your gun during a simple traffic stop cares about a polite conversation about citizens carrying and your rights around such.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't think any officer who takes your gun during a simple traffic stop cares about a polite conversation about citizens carrying and your rights around such.

You'd be wrong. Coming out of the academy, every person I encountered who was armed during a traffic stop, I disarmed. It was simply blind adherence to training. And then I disarmed a guy one guy who got really upset, and being the talker I am, I honestly wanted to know why he was so pissed off. So we had a good talk, and he brought up points that resonated. I don't know if I immediately stopped disarming people after that (probably didn't), but eventually it no longer made sense to disarm every single person I met. Sure it may not work for old grizzly officers, but guys just coming into the field? You never know.