Ejected from Cabela's for open-carrying

[tv1217]

I'll bet either that employee and/or the AP person are/ is from the PRIL, the store isn't much more than a minute or two from Lansing and Calumet Shi...City.

 

[mettle]

Sorry if I was a little forward... I am grumpy tonight after visiting blind family that seem to think that the writing is not on the wall. Please forgive any grumpiness I am showing...or writing please.

 

[Clay]

hmmmmmmm yeah, probably similar to the guy who pulled people over and pretended to be a cop

 

[tgent]

Thats lame man, I work at Gander Mtn. and as long as you have a CC your ok to come in.

I bought a handgun at Gander Mountain in Greenwood once. After the sales transaction the salesman said that I had to be escorted outside and that I couldn't have my new purchase until I was out the door. If I knew that this was their policy I never would have bought the gun. Didn't like the way it made me feel and it ticked me off. I can be trusted to buy a firearm from them but I can't be trusted to carry it through the store.

 

[bigg cheese]

that's standard practice at most sporting goods stores. Gun Stores are different, but they're also smaller and there aren't enough aisles to duck behind and load up either .

 

[HICKMAN]

That really sucks Scutter.

I would suggest putting up an online petition, then posting links on various gun/hunting/fishing boards suggesting we boycott Cabelas. If you get a decent response, notify the store manager there as well as Cabelas corporate.

Dunno how effective it would be, but it might give them notice.

 

[walt o]

I think that not going to the store is the wrong approach. They need to recognize the Right to carry in Indiana, It is posted on the door as you enter the store. I live in the area close to Cabelas and would join a open carry demonstration Turning our backs on this type of ignorance is not the thing to do for the rest of the firearm owners.It would be great to have a letter from the main corprate offices with us when we do the OC.

 

[Scutter01]

Cabella's corporate policy is clear, and within the last week it has been reaffirmed by them. Yet they still tolerate local stores insulting their customers. Reckon they really don't care about gun owner money.

Do you have a link or other documentation to corroborate that? I'd like to cite it in my letter.

anything wrong with answering "Yes" to the LEO question and just saying you're off the clock?

Yes, that would be "Impersonating a police officer", and I'm a law-abiding Citizen who was not violating any state or local laws, nor was I even violating store policy.

that's standard practice at most sporting goods stores. Gun Stores are different, but they're also smaller and there aren't enough aisles to duck behind and load up either .

It is NOT standard practice, and especially not at Cabela's, who have stated on more than one occasion that OC is allowed at their store.

I think that not going to the store is the wrong approach.

They've had enough chances and it hasn't made a difference. Every time an OC'er gets ejected, a big group of people gets together and goes and spends money there. This happens every couple of months. Explain to me where the consequences are?

 

[Rookie]

The only problem I see with a mass open carry demonstration is that, I'm betting, the store would ignore their "issue" until they could attack people one on one.

Try this. People go in one at a time and walk around until they are asked to leave. As soon as they leave, the next person walks in. The last person to go in should have the letter from corporate...

 

[tskin]

anything wrong with answering "Yes" to the LEO question and just saying you're off the clock?

Not unless you want to be charged with a felony.....

 

[JR50]

Starting at the opening of business tomorrow 10:00am CDT, I believe we should call the Hammond Cabela's Store Manager on duty (219) 845-9040 to ask for a clarification of their OC policy. Continue throughout the day if the line is busy to get in your 'vote'! Hundreds of phone calls, might get their attention. I live about two miles away from Hammond Cabelas and consider it good for da Region. How disappointing!

 

[walt o]

Then what is the correct approach ?not shopping at the store?Don't think they would miss the amount you or i spend . If you don't stand for something ,You stand for nothing ,walking away does not solve the problem I'm not trying to start a war just a solution

 

[Nakatomi]

Now, I am as pro-gun as it gets. I concealed carry pretty much at all times. I can, however, see where the store managers may be coming from.

Most of the people on this board are intelligent and skilled markmen. However, how many of us know friends that own guns that are idiots? Ones that have accidentally discharged weapons, etc? A former friend of mine lost his life showing someone how safe a 45 grip safety was by aiming the gun at his head. Unfortunately he still had a good enough grip to release the safety. This friend worked at a gun store and was very knowledgeable.

If I had a store, and you walked into it with a gun in plain sight, I am thinking there are many potential problems. For starters, you may be a threat. I don't know you have a LTCH. I don't know that you aren't a kook. I don't know that you aren't going to unholster it to show it to someone, even an employee. Accidents happen, and any accidents that happen on their property the business can get sued for. For the store owner, there are no upsides to you wandering the building armed. If they get robbed and you just happen to be standing there, the last thing management would want is for you to go Charles Bronson and start shooting. Policy is to hand over the loot and call the cops, not to confront and maybe get some people killed in the process.

So in summary, the best move for them is to ask you to leave. Whether you can exercise your right is meaningless to them, you are a liability in their eyes, and frankly, you're on private property. They have the right, just like you do in your own home, to set the standard of what they will tolerate in their own building, for the safety of themselves and the customers you may chase off with your "scary" exposed gun.

For me, I can defend myself and the loved ones with me....while at the same time, not scaring the sheeple. They can't ask me to leave if they don't know it's there.

 

[Roadie]

I think the easiest thing to do would be to still write the letters to Corporate, but also print out Cabela's policy on carrying, take it with you, and when you are asked to leave, hand it to the clerk and walk away. (carry a couple extra, so there is enough to go around)

 

[Scutter01]

Now, I am as pro-gun as it gets. I concealed carry pretty much at all times. I can, however, see where the store managers may be coming from.

You are completely missing the point. It's Cabela's (repeatedly) stated store policy that open-carry is 100% fine with them. It's the local store management that continues to ignore company policy, and in this particular case did so in an incredibly offensive manner.

 

[Roadie]

Now, I am as pro-gun as it gets. I concealed carry pretty much at all times. I can, however, see where the store managers may be coming from.

Most of the people on this board are intelligent and skilled markmen. However, how many of us know friends that own guns that are idiots? Ones that have accidentally discharged weapons, etc? A former friend of mine lost his life showing someone how safe a 45 grip safety was by aiming the gun at his head. Unfortunately he still had a good enough grip to release the safety. This friend worked at a gun store and was very knowledgeable.

If I had a store, and you walked into it with a gun in plain sight, I am thinking there are many potential problems. For starters, you may be a threat. I don't know you have a LTCH. I don't know that you aren't a kook. I don't know that you aren't going to unholster it to show it to someone, even an employee. Accidents happen, and any accidents that happen on their property the business can get sued for. For the store owner, there are no upsides to you wandering the building armed. If they get robbed and you just happen to be standing there, the last thing management would want is for you to go Charles Bronson and start shooting. Policy is to hand over the loot and call the cops, not to confront and maybe get some people killed in the process.

So in summary, the best move for them is to ask you to leave. Whether you can exercise your right is meaningless to them, you are a liability in their eyes, and frankly, you're on private property. They have the right, just like you do in your own home, to set the standard of what they will tolerate in their own building, for the safety of themselves and the customers you may chase off with your "scary" exposed gun.

For me, I can defend myself and the loved ones with me....while at the same time, not scaring the sheeple. They can't ask me to leave if they don't know it's there.

Yes, technically they have to the right to ask you to leave, however, they have a clearly posted policy on this, and chose to ignore it. Therein lies the difference.

We aren't talking about the corner 7 Eleven here, we are talking about a store that sells weapons and accessories, and one whose Corporate policy ALLOWS carrying.

I agree with your assessment in principle, just not in how it pertains to this situation, and I certainly cannot agree with HOW they handled it, or the words chosen to do so.

 

[tskin]

Now, I am as pro-gun as it gets. I concealed carry pretty much at all times. I can, however, see where the store managers may be coming from.

Most of the people on this board are intelligent and skilled markmen. However, how many of us know friends that own guns that are idiots? Ones that have accidentally discharged weapons, etc? A former friend of mine lost his life showing someone how safe a 45 grip safety was by aiming the gun at his head. Unfortunately he still had a good enough grip to release the safety. This friend worked at a gun store and was very knowledgeable.

If I had a store, and you walked into it with a gun in plain sight, I am thinking there are many potential problems. For starters, you may be a threat. I don't know you have a LTCH. I don't know that you aren't a kook. I don't know that you aren't going to unholster it to show it to someone, even an employee. Accidents happen, and any accidents that happen on their property the business can get sued for. For the store owner, there are no upsides to you wandering the building armed. If they get robbed and you just happen to be standing there, the last thing management would want is for you to go Charles Bronson and start shooting. Policy is to hand over the loot and call the cops, not to confront and maybe get some people killed in the process.

So in summary, the best move for them is to ask you to leave. Whether you can exercise your right is meaningless to them, you are a liability in their eyes, and frankly, you're on private property. They have the right, just like you do in your own home, to set the standard of what they will tolerate in their own building, for the safety of themselves and the customers you may chase off with your "scary" exposed gun.

For me, I can defend myself and the loved ones with me....while at the same time, not scaring the sheeple. They can't ask me to leave if they don't know it's there.

This is not a ma & pa shop. It's a national retailer that sets corporate policies at the top & those policies are suppose to be followed all the way down the ladder. The store managers aren't suppose to make up their own rules as they go. They're suppose to follow policy. I'd think doing otherwise would be grounds for dismissal.

 

[NateIU10]

Now, I am as pro-gun as it gets.

No, you're not. You're like those hunters who say assault rifles are useless and should be banned, they'll never touch your hunting rifles and shotguns. Their store has repeatedly acted against corporate policy.

 

[Joe Williams]

Do you have a link or other documentation to corroborate that? I'd like to cite it in my letter.

snip

This was the result of a very recent incident similar to yours (minus the "shouldn't have to look at that" bit of snootiness) at the Hamburg, PA store.

Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association Discussion Forum - View Single Post - Was told i must cover....

 

[Roadie]

Customer Open-Carry and Concealed-Carry of Pistols and Revolvers in Cabela’s Retail Stores


Cabela’s company policies are intended to be aligned with applicable federal, state and local laws. Accordingly, each store location has adopted policies to comply with the laws governing the state, county and city in which the store is located.


With respect to the issue of open-carry and concealed-carry of firearms by customers – it is Cabela’s general policy to allow customers to carry a pistol or revolver within Cabela’s stores if the customer is permitted to do so in accordance with applicable law; provided such firearm remains safely holstered while the customer is on Cabela’s property, and the activities of the customer do not raise safety concerns or otherwise interfere with Cabela’s business activities.


If a customer brings a firearm on Cabela’s property for purposes of repair, appraisal, evaluation, sale or any other purpose that will require the customer or someone else to handle the firearm or remove the firearm from a holster, the firearm must be checked in with store personnel, safely unloaded and fitted with a trigger lock.


Cabela’s supports responsible gun ownership and is committed to providing a safe family shopping environment. Accordingly, Cabela’s reserves the right to implement firearm safety procedures within its stores as Cabela’s deems appropriate.



Let me know if you have any other questions.


Joe Arterburn

Corporate Communications Manager

Cabela's Inc.

One Cabela Drive

Sidney, NE 69160

joe.arterburn@cabelas.com

308-255-1204

(emphasis mine)

There is the kicker.