lightning link

[badmac183]

has anyone ever tried to make one of these? using plans off the internet like this? If so how hard was it and how did it function.


<link redacted>

 

[alloyguitar]

I don't think anybody'd post online if they had, given how incredibly illegal it'd be.

 

[badmac183]

why not? there are videos like this all over the internet..


<video redacted>

 

[alloyguitar]

I stand corrected. I have too much faith in the human race these days. Just remember that posession of a lightning link and a rifle constitutes intent to assemble in the eyes of the atf.

 

[esrice]

has anyone ever tried to make one of these? using plans off the internet like this? If so how hard was it and how did it function.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

has anyone ever tried to make one of these? using plans off the internet like this? If so how hard was it and how did it function.

How are things going at ATF headquarters?

I stand corrected. I have too much faith in the human race these days. Just remember that posession of a lightning link[STRIKE] and a rifle constitutes intent to assemble[/STRIKE] is possession of a machine gun in the eyes of the atf.

FTFY

 

[Scutter01]

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 27, Volume 2]
[Revised as of April 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 27CFR479.105]

[Page 190-191]

TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS

CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 479--MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS--Table of Contents

Subpart G--Registration and Identification of Firearms

Sec. 479.105 Transfer and possession of machine guns.

(a) General. As provided by 26 U.S.C. 5812 and 26 U.S.C. 5822, an
application to make or transfer a firearm shall be denied if the making,
transfer, receipt, or possession of the firearm would place the maker or
transferee in violation of law. Section 922(o), Title 18, U.S.C., makes
it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machine gun, except
a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the
United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a
department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or any lawful
transfer or lawful possession of a machine gun that was lawfully
possessed before May 19, 1986. Therefore, notwithstanding any other
provision of this part, no application to make, transfer, or import a
machine gun will be approved except as provided by this section.
(b) Machine guns lawfully possessed prior to May 19, 1986. A machine
gun possessed in compliance with the provisions of this part prior to
May 19, 1986, may continue to be lawfully possessed by the person to
whom the machine gun is registered and may, upon compliance with the
provisions of this part, be lawfully transferred to and possessed by the
transferee.
(c) Importation and manufacture. Subject to compliance with the
provisions of this part, importers and manufacturers qualified under
this part may import and manufacture machine guns on or after May 19,
1986, for sale or distribution to any department or agency of the United
States or any State or political subdivision thereof, or for use by
dealers qualified under this part as sales samples as provided in
paragraph (d) of this section. The registration of such machine guns
under this part and their subsequent transfer shall be conditioned upon
and restricted to the sale or distribution of such weapons for the
official use of Federal, State or local governmental entities. Subject
to compliance with the provisions of this part, manufacturers qualified
under this part may manufacture machine guns on or after May 19, 1986,
for exportation in compliance with the Arms Export Control Act (22
U.S.C. 2778) and regulations prescribed thereunder by the Department of
State.
(d) Dealer sales samples. Subject to compliance with the provisions
of this part, applications to transfer and register a machine gun
manufactured or imported on or after May 19, 1986, to dealers qualified
under this part will be approved if it is established by specific
information the expected governmental customers who would require a
demonstration of the weapon, information as to the availability of the
machine gun to fill subsequent orders, and letters from governmental
entities expressing a need for a particular model or interest in seeing
a demonstration of a particular weapon. Applications to transfer more
than one machine gun of a particular model to a dealer must also
establish the dealer's need for the quantity of samples sought to be
transferred.
(e) The making of machine guns on or after May 19, 1986. Subject to
compliance with the provisions of this part, applications to make and
register machine guns on or after May 19, 1986, for the benefit of a
Federal, State or local governmental entity (e.g., an invention for
possible future use of a governmental entity or the making of a weapon
in connection with research and development on behalf of such an entity)
will be approved if it is established by

[[Page 191]]

specific information that the machine gun is particularly suitable for
use by Federal, State or local governmental entities and that the making
of the weapon is at the request and on behalf of such an entity.
(f) Discontinuance of business. Since section 922(o), Title 18,
U.S.C., makes it unlawful to transfer or possess a machine gun except as
provided in the law, any qualified manufacturer, importer, or dealer
intending to discontinue business shall, prior to going out of business,
transfer in compliance with the provisions of this part any machine gun
manufactured or imported after May 19, 1986, to a Federal, State or
local governmental entity, qualified manufacturer, qualified importer,
or, subject to the provisions of paragraph (d) of this section, dealer
qualified to possess such, machine gun.

[T.D. ATF-270, 53 FR 10510, Mar. 31, 1988]

In other words, if you make a machine gun after May 19, 1986 and you aren't a licensed manufacturer, it's hammer time. The BAFTE has ruled that a lightning link is considered a machine gun. The link to the instructions has been redacted from the OP.

 

[Chase515]

I have an idea! You make one full auto! Then tell us all about it. Next we wait and see how long it takes you to get caught No mater how smart you think you are or how well you have it planed out, to keep it a secret, you'll be showing it off to all of your buddies and get turned in or get turned in by a neighbor because they heard a machine gun going off. You already showed intent on building a illegal mg by posting the link to the lightning link page.. Now just set back and wait and see if that website was run by the atf or fbi. Maybe they will give you a few weeks to gather all the items needed to make a lighting link before you get a visit. Couple pieces of banding wire and your post on your computer bye bye buddyLOL!!!!

 

[badmac183]

I have an idea! You make one full auto! Then tell us all about it. Next we wait and see how long it takes you to get caught No mater how smart you think you are or how well you have it planed out, to keep it a secret, you'll be showing it off to all of your buddies and get turned in or get turned in by a neighbor because they heard a machine gun going off. You already showed intent on building a illegal mg by posting the link to the lightning link page.. Now just set back and wait and see if that website was run by the atf or fbi. Maybe they will give you a few weeks to gather all the items needed to make a lighting link before you get a visit. Couple pieces of banding wire and your post on your computer bye bye buddyLOL!!!!

I was rotfl when i was reading this

 

[revsaxon]

Logically couldn't he have been referring to a 07/02 making one? If my understanding is right it would be a post sample, but would still be legal...

 

[curraheeguns]

Logically couldn't he have been referring to a 07/02 making one? If my understanding is right it would be a post sample, but would still be legal...

Correct, an 07/02 could make one legally then register it with ATF after it is made. I think you have 24 or 48 hrs to inform, I will know soon...

 

[Chase515]

Logically couldn't he have been referring to a 07/02 making one? If my understanding is right it would be a post sample, but would still be legal...

Logically if thats what he meant he could have said so! Posting plans and video of altering a firearm illegaly spells loser! Anyone capable of legaly manufacturing a lightning link or rdias already know's how. Op shouldnt be making waves for the rest of us who one day want to own a legal registered drop in auto sear or legal lightning link.

 

[curraheeguns]

Logically if thats what he meant he could have said so! Posting plans and video of altering a firearm illegaly spells loser! Anyone capable of legaly manufacturing a lightning link or rdias already know's how. Op shouldnt be making waves for the rest of us who one day want to own a legal registered drop in auto sear or legal lightning link.

Not everyone knows the laws, it was a simple question that has been answered. No reason to assume he was up to no good.

Also this is still America, it isn't illegal to speak of making an illegal machinegun yet. It is just illegal to make an illegal machinegun.

 

[ryknoll3]

Logically if thats what he meant he could have said so! Posting plans and video of altering a firearm illegaly spells loser! Anyone capable of legaly manufacturing a lightning link or rdias already know's how. Op shouldnt be making waves for the rest of us who one day want to own a legal registered drop in auto sear or legal lightning link.

Not NECESSARILY true, though I'm not judging this case. Lots of people who have just gotten their 02 SOT ask on ar15.com about making things that the average guy couldn't make. You have to start somewhere.

 

[curraheeguns]

Not NECESSARILY true, though I'm not judging this case. Lots of people who have just gotten their 02 SOT ask on ar15.com about making things that the average guy couldn't make. You have to start somewhere.

+1, although I don't ask on barf.com.

Something about me being banned!!!

 

[Booya]

I've been curious about this as well, but can't seem to find the specific information I need. I could make one easily enough, but I'm just not going to do that. However, I have been curious lately (Just submitted my first form 1 recently) what do you have to do to be able to legally make a FA. I ask because I'd love to have one and if I recall once you get that stamp barrel length doesn't matter on a MG.?

If I'm building a new rifle, why not go for the FA also for my SBR with just one stamp? Is it just another form for FA with a $200 stamp? And is there any way to legally go FA without dropping $1000's?

 

[Scutter01]

I've been curious about this as well, but can't seem to find the specific information I need. I could make one easily enough, but I'm just not going to do that. However, I have been curious lately (Just submitted my first form 1 recently) what do you have to do to be able to legally make a FA. I ask because I'd love to have one and if I recall once you get that stamp barrel length doesn't matter on a MG.?

If I'm building a new rifle, why not go for the FA also for my SBR with just one stamp? Is it just another form for FA with a $200 stamp? And is there any way to legally go FA without dropping $1000's?

You can't build your own full-auto unless you are a SOT (in other words, in the business of manufacturing and selling firearms). Thanks to the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act, the subjects to the Crown are no longer allowed to produce or own any machine gun made after 1986. The only way for for us to own a machine gun is to buy a transferable MG manufactured and registered prior to 1986. That's why they're so expensive. The supply is permanently fixed unless and until that stupid amendment is repealed.

 

[Booya]

You can't build your own full-auto unless you are a SOT (in other words, in the business of manufacturing and selling firearms). Thanks to the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act, the subjects to the Crown are no longer allowed to produce or own any machine gun made after 1986. The only way for for us to own a machine gun is to buy a transferable MG manufactured and registered prior to 1986. That's why they're so expensive. The supply is permanently fixed unless and until that stupid amendment is repealed.

OK, so all these videos I see all the time (even of a lot of our INGO guys) are either using old M16 Lowers or some older manf weapon? I just recently thought I saw some FA .22 on here?

 

[Scutter01]

OK, so all these videos I see all the time (even of a lot of our INGO guys) are either using old M16 Lowers or some older manf weapon? I just recently thought I saw some FA .22 on here?

Some of them are post-86 dealer samples. For example, some of our advertisers are Class 3 dealers and they have access to post-86 machine guns. They are licensed to resell these to law-enforcement agencies under their SOT license. Some of those post-1986 samples will be at NFA Day this year and will be available to shoot (but not to purchase). Others are pre-86 transferable machine guns that have been caliber-converted, like dropping a Ceiner .22 conversion kit into an AR-15. The Ceiner kit isn't the "gun" part, the AR-15 lower is the "gun".

If you had a registered machine gun and there existed a .22 kit for it, you could shoot .22 full-auto through it.

 

[Booya]

Some of them are post-86 dealer samples. For example, some of our advertisers are Class 3 dealers and they have access to post-86 machine guns. They are licensed to resell these to law-enforcement agencies under their SOT license. Some of those post-1986 samples will be at NFA Day this year and will be available to shoot (but not to purchase). Others are pre-86 transferable machine guns that have been caliber-converted, like dropping a Ceiner .22 conversion kit into an AR-15. The Ceiner kit isn't the "gun" part, the AR-15 lower is the "gun".

If you had a registered machine gun and there existed a .22 kit for it, you could shoot .22 full-auto through it.

Gotcha! (now to begin planning for that FA lower!!)