Minnesota Mall Stabbings

[Cameramonkey]

What sign?

The "no weapons" signs that malls almost always have on the front door. I cant recall the last mall I was in that DIDNT have one of those signs. Its a safe bet that there was one. (not 100% but the odds are with you to assume there was one)

 

[Kutnupe14]

It would also be interesting to know what he was sending downrange. Was he actually carrying defensive rounds or only FMJs? There is a FB rumor this officer is a competitive shooter as well. (Havent seen it confirmed, just mentioned)

I've seen the "What? A bullet is a bullet? It doesnt matter what I use, its gonna kill him at those speeds." mentality, so I wonder, given the terrorist's repeated advances since they were only psychological stops, if he was carrying adequate ammo. Or possibly a mouse gun?

From an equipment/ammo standpoint, I think this would make an awesome teaching moment.

Since he's an officer, I image he was carrying approved or duty rounds (which are always HPs). It might not be the same everywhere, but we are required to qualify with our off-duty weapons, and can only carry approved rounds.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Since he's an officer, I image he was carrying approved or duty rounds (which are always HPs). It might not be the same everywhere, but we are required to qualify with our off-duty weapons, and can only carry approved rounds.

Are you also required to ONLY carry a weapon you are qualified with? In other words, if you arent qualified with say your personal G42, are you prohibited from carrying it on your days off on your own time? That is what I was getting at.

 

[Vigilant]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can have the best tactics in the world and there is no way you can control every single thing that happens in a situation.

True!

 

[Vigilant]

That's a bit harsh, don't you think? Like Frank said, we are taught that tactic.

You are correct, my interpretation of the article as written, still leads me to bad tactics. It could have been poorly worded, and not happened like that at all, as was said, we weren't there. The guy prevailed, lives were saved, one less terrorist jihadi to deal with!

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Are you also required to ONLY carry a weapon you are qualified with? In other words, if you arent qualified with say your personal G42, are you prohibited from carrying it on your days off on your own time? That is what I was getting at.

If I carry a gun I haven't qualified with, it is possible the department won't back me if I'm involved in an off-duty shooting.

 

[bwframe]

Terrorist Stabbing Attack at Minnesota Mall - GABE SUAREZ BLOG

 

[Cameramonkey]

Well looky here at what I found this AM. Nope. Didnt work as always.

 

[Cameramonkey]

If I carry a gun I haven't qualified with, it is possible the department won't back me if I'm involved in an off-duty shooting.

Thanks.

Hope we get to see the AAR with all the details. (gun, ammo, perp's toxicology report, etc) This encounter seems like a solid learning tool.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I am just glad a good guy with a gun was there to stop it. I do wish there would of been more like him there. (Meaning armed citizens).

 

[Joniki]

Look, I took what was stated in the article, and critiqued it! His stated tactics ****ing sucked! so back 'atcha with the rolled eyes!

and while you're at the rolled eyes thing, name one trainer or firearms training company that would tell you to shoot, stop, wait until attacked again, shoot again, stop, wait until attacked again and shoot again?

I am not going to armchair QB this. The officer stopped the threat and went home.

The attacker went down and then got up and was shot again. This happened several times.

 

[jamil]

Come up with something better, or add to the conversation?

What does mean? Perhaps not what you thought.

He may have used it to subscribe to the thread, as many INGOers do.

 

[Expat]

Well looky here at what I found this AM. Nope. Didnt work as always.

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It is always shocking to learn that terrorists are willing to break the rules.

 

[Kutnupe14]

It is always shocking to learn that terrorists are willing to break the rules.

Well, technically the terrorist didn't break the rules; the good guy did.

 

[jamil]

Well, technically the terrorist didn't break the rules; the good guy did.

I'm not sure. Was the knife used considered an illegal weapon?

 

[seagullplayer]

So the guy comes out of this with all the good guys alive and the bad guy stopped.

And people who where not there want to complain about how he did it?

The internet, gotta love it...

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

The attacker went down and then got up and was shot again. This happened several times.

The officer obviously wasn't carring a .45. We all know that is a one-hot instakill.

 

[printcraft]

Well, technically the terrorist didn't break the rules; the good guy did.

Stabbing people is now within the rules? Awesome! BRB.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm not sure. Was the knife used considered an illegal weapon?

only if it was some sort of homemade shank. I'm betting it was an actual everyday knife.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Dont forget the other rules above the highlighted one. Something about doing anything that causes harm to others.

By my count he broke at least 4 of the top rules as well.