The KSG has done that for years now. Nothing new...Feeding mini shells is pretty intriguing. 20 rounds in the gun. That’s incredible.
I agree with the DP12 reference. I'm not hating on it but it's far from newish and more like an already been done.It reminds me more of a DP-12 on a diet than a KSG.
On a side note, it is reassuring to know you can reliably guess what INGO's response to something new(ish) will be before you even open the thread.
The whole firearms industry is extremely derivative at this point and has been for a long time. This shotgun is no less new than the vast majority of things promoted as new in the industry.I agree with the DP12 reference. I'm not hating on it but it's far from newish and more like an already been done.
The overriding goals here seem to be chasing capacity and a short OAL. The weight, the complication of loading, introducing significant offset...it sacrifices a number of things that make the shotgun good at close range to chase capacity and AR controls, neither of which are really a benefit to the defensive use of the shotgun.
Worse still, they achieve a short OAL while simultaneously making a length of pull that is entirely too long for even above average sized males, ensuring that the gun will kick the *** of most people who try to shoot it. You can see it in the videos hitting youtube...
Everyone who you see shooting that thing is stretched out and getting their *** handed to them by the gun...which is what happens when the LOP is too long, you're stuck with pistol grips that force a locked wrist, and you generally don't know how to use shotguns well. (Which most don't)
Looking at the thing closely, it looks like they went out of the way to make the LOP really long. No design reason for it is readily apparent and most bullpups tend to be short on LOP not long.Quoted from an SME on another forum (and censored to INGO language rules)
You do remember the Governor to compete with Taurus' Judge, don't you? S&W is making stupid amounts of money and is apparently throwing anything and everything at the wall because if some of it sticks they'll make even more...
Ummm can I buy some pot from you? Cause you be smoking the good stuff!Thank you !!!! and don't forget SIG, they took the P11 and improved it in the form of the 365........(still love my P32's though)
Feeding mini shells is pretty intriguing. 20 rounds in the gun. That’s incredible.
Do I assume the striker fire is the Fiesta?Ummm can I buy some pot from you? Cause you be smoking the good stuff!
the p11 was a double action hammer fired gun that had a horrible trigger pull, the 365 is a single action striker fired gun, the only things they have in common are they both have a polymer frame, a steel barrel, and they’re both 9mm, but if that’s how your comparing them, why not say that Ferrari is an improved Ford Fiesta?