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Take my Soc. Sec, I'll get a gun and go to war!
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However much the government stole. I know it sucks and I do not advocate redistribution of wealth or anything of the sort, but we owe it to our seniors.
You can't act like we didn't get anything out of the money that was stolen from them.
jmiller676
Master
No I can't but I don't see in two wrongs making a right do you?
That's what they're trying to do. We both agree it was a bad system. You just think that money from the next generations should continue to be stolen from until they get nothing and I think it should end right now to avoid that mess.
nawainwright
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As I recall, the average age of senators/reps is a little higher than 35, matter of fact its around 60. So explain how "my generation" is frittering away your money again?
I don't have a problem with me personally not getting anything. There should be a cutoff so the people have warning to prepare for their retirements without SS being part of their income. I could see cutting it off 10-15 years from now, but I can't see stopping it and leaving these seniors that depend on it assed out.
It is a bad system - criminal in fact.
It has to stop at some point because it literally can't be sustained. I KNOW I'll won't get all my money back. Why should someone else get all of theirs? Actually, most recipients now get way more back than they put in. We will have to have a cut off point where someone gets screwed. What I hear previous generations saying, just as they've been saying, "Whatever, I want mine. You guys give me all mine, and worry about your own."
I'm not saying cut anyone off tomorrow. I'm saying the problem has been well known for many years. What's so sacred about the people who have it now as opposed to the people who won't get it in the future? Let's share the burden so there's some for everyone. Unfortunately, some of the current recipients will share the screwing.
How is that unfair?
I'm not saying cut anyone off tomorrow. I'm saying the problem has been well known for many years. What's so sacred about the people who have it now as opposed to the people who won't get it in the future? Let's share the burden so there's some for everyone. Unfortunately, some of the current recipients will share the screwing.
How is that unfair?
jmiller676
Master
Actually yes it is. SS is a flawed system that is to far gone to be fixed. So kill it and let the fellow man help each other and don't rely on the .gov to do it for you.
What I read from your comments is you are too lazy to help people yourself so you would rather the .gov confiscate your money and then "help" people. Why not keep the money yourself and help someone out on your own. or would that be to much work for you to do?
But if you stop it 10-15 years seniors will be complaining about the same thing then?
Exactly right. No one wants to get screwed. Let's share the burden. That means at the least we have to stop all increases and raise the retirement age.
hornadylnl
Shooter
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It is my understanding that the first ious were put in the ss fund to pay for the Viet Nam war. I wasn't alive then. I started voting in 1996. My 9 year old daughter certainly hasn't voted for any of the government largesse that has created this mess. How many elections have the seniors partaken in? How many times did they vote for the crooks that created this mess? And somehow you believe my daughter is more responsible for the ss mess than those seniors who voted for or allowed this to happen.
jmiller676
Master
It's more than that even, Hornady. They ruthless and mercilessly voted out anyone who made a peep about reform. They aggressively created this political climate. The politicians would have reformed SS already if the voters had wanted it.
jmiller676
Master
My dad is 51. He is a small business owner who worked his ass off to get where he is and understands he won't be able to retire because he can't afford it. He would rather have SS collapse now so I don't waste my time putting money in like he did. That's looking out for the future generations.
Personally, I am all for Crashing the SS System today. Just stopping it cold, no more payments in, no more payments out...
If you have failed to plan for YOUR future, well life is tough...
hornadylnl
Shooter
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Yep, I say all AARP members should be the first to get cut from the ss roles.
Your generation voted for them just like everyone else. And they took my money and spent it on things that, to an extent, benefitted YOU.
I don't know this guy so I don't know if he paid taxes and SS and what his investment return ratio is.
Having said that, when the baby boomers were kids, their parents were putting money into a VOLUNTARY RETIREMENT FUND. Wanna guess what this was called? Right, social security. Every Demacratic president since the initiation of the Soc Sec has stolen or changed the rules on it until it is pretty much a tax and an entitlement. Basically, some people who are now collecting SS thought of it like we think of a 401 k. It is what they have left now that they are not working anymore (assuming they did in the first place...)
If the government took your 401k (as they will) and then told you they gave most of it away to illegals and other entitlement programs and that you weren't going to get anymore, what would you do?
Jeremy, I agree. except that several of these seniors DID contribute to Soc Sec, as I just explained. The problem is that many many many people that never contributed to it are now recieving it. These people get it as they would any other entitlement, stolen from tax payers/social security investors, while those of us that contribute watch our "retirement" pay for illegal aliens to have free cell phones. Enjoy the future.
