The Immigration/Amnesty (Executive Order) Thread

[OakRiver]

Out of curiosity, what about the kids of illegals who were not born here, but know no other life other than as an American?

Deport. No reason why the law should not apply to them. The US should not be forced to accommodate them because their parents brought them here.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Deport. No reason why the law should not apply to them. The US should not be forced to accommodate them because their parents brought them here.

I'll add a follow-up question

Do you think this would be politically wise?

 

[OakRiver]

Is it politically wise to deport people who should not be in the country? Yes - unless you're a Democrat

 

[AA&E]

Out of curiosity, what about the kids of illegals who were not born here, but know no other life other than as an American?

Sorry their parents placed them in a horrible situation... are we to send them back with their parents? Place them in foster care and allow them to stay? Allow them all to stay and create another anchor baby dilemma? It isn't America's fault their parents made the choices they did, and they shouldn't be rewarded for those decisions.

 

[Twangbanger]

All the republicans need to do is get off their asses and pass immigration reform and Obama's EO's go away. Even he's said that. They'd just rather ***** and moan about it.

Immigration doesn't need reformed. There is already a process to immigrate legally into the United States. Come in the front door. Welcome to America. What you are referring to is legalizing ILLEGAL entry. Just call it what it is...

Oh, there you go again Printcraft. Have you forgotten your INGO Liberaltarian Catechism? We're supposed to Open the Borders. After all, it's just like Gary Johnson, Libertarian Presidential candidate said: all it takes to defeat a 10-foot border fence is an 11-foot ladder!

Sheesh, don't you people and the Republicans see the obvious silliness of "Securing the Border?"

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Oh, there you go again Printcraft. Have you forgotten your INGO Liberaltarian Catechism? We're supposed to Open the Borders. After all, it's just like Gary Johnson, Libertarian Presidential candidate said: all it takes to defeat a 10-foot border fence is an 11-foot ladder!

Sheesh, don't you people and the Republicans see the obvious silliness of "Securing the Border?"

A shovel would also defeat said fence, dont you people see the obvious silliness of blaming Dems for this problem, when Repubs havent done any better securing our boarder nor solving the illegal "problem?"

 

[OakRiver]

The immigration waiting game will end soon - CNN.com

We know what's coming;
"President Obama, who will act on immigration reform by the end of the year, has not reviewed final administration recommendations on immigration but is aware of the general details in the expected plan, says a senior White House official who is traveling with the President in Myanmar."It's not like this is the Academy Awards," said the official, meaning that the contents of the envelope are not a surprise."

 

[EvilElmo]

Sultan Knish makes some good points:

Sultan Knish: Super-Amnesty Will Turn Every City into Detroit

 

[spec4]

Securing the border would be cheaper than the cost to taxpayers in dealing with illegals. My thought is boost the border patrol, give them better weapons, and mine the border as much as we can, maybe 200 yards in. How do you say: "attention, mine field" in Spanish? Immigration reform to the libs is simple; legalize everyone and invite more in. Our POTUS has failed miserably in his oath.

 

[printcraft]

Sorry their parents placed them in a horrible situation... are we to send them back with their parents? Place them in foster care and allow them to stay? Allow them all to stay and create another anchor baby dilemma? It isn't America's fault their parents made the choices they did, and they shouldn't be rewarded for those decisions.

I have to agree.

It's akin to a bank robber stealing $100,000 and getting caught for the robbery but the money
they stole they gave to their kids before they were arrested.
I guess the kids get to keep that money..... right?
I mean, they didn't participate in the crime, why can't they benefit?

 

[KLB]

Securing the border would be cheaper than the cost to taxpayers in dealing with illegals. My thought is boost the border patrol, give them better weapons, and mine the border as much as we can, maybe 200 yards in. How do you say: "attention, mine field" in Spanish? Immigration reform to the libs is simple; legalize everyone and invite more in. Our POTUS has failed miserably in his oath.

So, you want the Berlin wall around the whole country?

 

[Bunnykid68]

So, you want the Berlin wall around the whole country?

No, more like the great wall of china

 

[pudly]

So, you want the Berlin wall around the whole country?

What's wrong with just wanting an orderly immigration system where you know who is coming in? My relatives came in via Ellis Island. It wasn't free to come in and didn't prevent immigration at all.

 

[AA&E]

Securing the border would be cheaper than the cost to taxpayers in dealing with illegals. My thought is boost the border patrol, give them better weapons, and mine the border as much as we can, maybe 200 yards in. How do you say: "attention, mine field" in Spanish? Immigration reform to the libs is simple; legalize everyone and invite more in. Our POTUS has failed miserably in his oath.

I saw an article the other night stating the Border Patrol is having weapon inventory shortage issues because the weapons they have (M4's) are being taken out of service and proclaimed to be unserviceable. This is a weapon that was specifically designed to be serviced and placed back into use. There is nothing you can do (short of demilling the receiver) to an M4 that makes it an unserviceable weapon. So they are taking their primary service rifle and not replenishing them. And the timing right before the president welcomes more illegals in droves as he unfolds the welcome mat for those already here illegally? Zero political motivations... right??? (that last line might have required a sprinkling of the color purple)

 

[AA&E]

So, you want the Berlin wall around the whole country?

No, more like the great wall of china

An important distinction. The Berlin Wall was just as much about keeping people in as anything else. While the Great Wall was a fortification against invasions. We are talking about keeping people that do not belong here out. Reports of Islamic extremists congregating south of our borders. The drug trade. Allowing anyone regardless of criminal history to casually waltz across... a level of security seems like a reasonable response.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

A shovel would also defeat said fence, dont you people see the obvious silliness of blaming Dems for this problem, when Repubs havent done any better securing our boarder nor solving the illegal "problem?"

So, since a strawman solution wouldn't stop people from crossing the border, we should just relax and let it happen? If a fence won't work, how about a fence and a minefield? How about 20,000 troops stationed along the border with orders to 1. warn away, 2. shoot to kill? Certainly a cost-effective solution to closing our borders to illegal entrants. With as het up as some Progressives are over the concept of "No means NO" in dating, why would they be upset about the same concept in Border control?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The need for some impenetrable wall or fence would be significantly reduced if there were less desire for those folks to want to move up here. If they knew there'd be no freebies and no jobs available without going through the proper channels, I would think this would be far more manageable. And employers hiring these folks should be held accountable as well.

I have no problems with some sort of reform that would make it easier for people wanting to legally come here to work or immigrate use and/or comply with. I do not support open borders and we should insist the rule of law be followed.

 

[OakRiver]

So, you want the Berlin wall around the whole country?

The Berlin Wall was built (as the name might suggest) to divide Berlin, and in effect Germany between the Soviets and Allies. The United States is not being divided up between occupying powers. The suggestion to have a barrier is to enforce the United States' own border to prevent illegal immigration. Your comparison is disingenuous at best.

 

[BogWalker]

Mexico is an unstable, corrupt nation in the middle of a drug fueled quasi-civil war halfway towards a collapse of government. I don't want to open the doors to that.

 

[mrjarrell]

Hate to break it to you, Bog, but those people are already going back and forth across the border unmolested. Sometimes with the help of the feds. That's been going on for decades.