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High five clay. I knew you would chose to be a champion today. You have a nice car, it would've sucked to have to ruin it with my anger.
By the way, here is what the laminated stock looks like (assuming the "malware detected" thing doesn't pop up)
Looks very AK74 ish only black. I hear the colors may vary. Hang on to your stocks as they'll be collectors items at some point.
SGM is in the process of making 8,10,and12 rd magazines that activate the LRBHO.
By the way, here is what the laminated stock looks like (assuming the "malware detected" thing doesn't pop up)
Looks very AK74 ish only black. I hear the colors may vary. Hang on to your stocks as they'll be collectors items at some point.
SGM is in the process of making 8,10,and12 rd magazines that activate the LRBHO.
'Tis a shame to be financially-challenged. I'd love one of these.
Yeah I guess the wood color is widely varied. I'd rather have the wood for collection purposes. I think I'll be going either poly or SVD folder if I can find another
Ordered.
High five mammy. I knew I could count on you
tradertator
Grandmaster
You guys are killing me. The peer pressure is almost too much to bare.
I think the problem here TT is that you're not willing to allow awesome to take over. Awesome requires commitment. When i go to the pool, do you think i just daintily ease myself in the water? No, I cannonball that mother ****er. Shock and Awe. People see 2 things:
1. Archimedes theory of water displacement in full effect
2. Even an olympic sized swimming pool with heavy chlorinated water can't wash off all this success.
Grab your credit card and dive in with both feet. Be honest with yourself. Did you open this thread because of the title...or because you smelled so much success inside?
1. Archimedes theory of water displacement in full effect
2. Even an olympic sized swimming pool with heavy chlorinated water can't wash off all this success.
Grab your credit card and dive in with both feet. Be honest with yourself. Did you open this thread because of the title...or because you smelled so much success inside?
tradertator
Grandmaster
I'll be honest Vitamin, I smelled success 
. My wife is not going to be very happy with me about this 
. My wife is not going to be very happy with me about this 
I must have one of these!
I agree
This is the most motivated I've been all week.
It's simple math. Motivation + money = awesome.
I think we're good. The gross weight capacity of this futon is 486lbs. As long as he only weighs 46lbs we're covered. Little known fun fact: futon means "heavy duty" in Korean.
2ADMNLOVER
Grandmaster
Tag for later .
I sent this as a reply to someone asking about the Vepr 12 vs Saiga 12 and figured others could benefit from the information:
As of now mags are limited and there is only one company overseas that makes a magwell drum which is Maxrounds.
You can modify the current batch of AGP and surfire mags to work in the magwell mostly by removing ribs and the front catch from the surefire and grinding down the plastic where the screws are on an AGP.
Surefire is currently making magwell mags that will actuate the last round bolt hold open feature of the gun so in theory we are covered.
In russia, VEPRS are the Noveskes of the AK world.
If you just consider the cost involved in converting a saiga and do a comparison you'll see there is no comparison.
saiga 12 $600.00
Russian Saiga 12 Gauge Shotgun W / Free Shooters Package - Long Guns
You have to buy a conversion kit 160.00
http://store.carolinashooterssupply....ion-kit/Detail
You'll then have to plug/weld over the old trigger holes (since the trigger is moved forward) and re coat the whole thing...$200.00 maybe
Total price 960.00
and what do you end up with?
You have a shotgun with no last round bolt hold open, no magwell, no hinged top cover, no self regulating gas system, no rails, the parts are cast not milled etc etc.
For $40.00 more you go from this
to this
Keep in mind that with the saiga you don't get the same features that you're used to on an AK. The gas tube ISN'T removable, and the forend is their hunting designed though for more money you can buy an RPK style.
The appeal is that this is the first time they've been brought into the states. The fact that they aren't $2,500 is mind boggling. I don't expect them to stay at 1000 for long. When saiga 12's first came to the states you could buy them for 250.00. Look at them now. 600+ unconverted.
To put it in AR terms you could buy a bushmaster AR take all the crap off of it, put a new trigger in it, new stock, new rails, better bolt carrier, low pro gas block, troy sights etc etc etc and make something that costs more than a Noveske, looks similar to a Noveske but is no where near as good as a Noveske...Just buy a Noveske
The closest comparison to the Vepr 12 is the saiga 030
Most of the components are the same though again the parts are cast not milled so the fit and finish is not as good, but here's a comparison. Legion is importing the 030 in it's sporter configuration (i.e. u need to move the trigger group, install pistol grip ect)
The cost is 1200-1400$
Note that you still have to buy a conversion kit like the very basic one listed above for 160.00, then blend and weld the holes and recoat the thing for another $200.00.
So for $1560 at the lowest you can get a 030 that's almost as good (cast parts verses milled/standard manufacturer vs custom shop) as a $1000 vepr 12 that is factory original.
That right there should convince you.
As of now mags are limited and there is only one company overseas that makes a magwell drum which is Maxrounds.
You can modify the current batch of AGP and surfire mags to work in the magwell mostly by removing ribs and the front catch from the surefire and grinding down the plastic where the screws are on an AGP.
Surefire is currently making magwell mags that will actuate the last round bolt hold open feature of the gun so in theory we are covered.
In russia, VEPRS are the Noveskes of the AK world.
If you just consider the cost involved in converting a saiga and do a comparison you'll see there is no comparison.
saiga 12 $600.00
Russian Saiga 12 Gauge Shotgun W / Free Shooters Package - Long Guns
You have to buy a conversion kit 160.00
http://store.carolinashooterssupply....ion-kit/Detail
You'll then have to plug/weld over the old trigger holes (since the trigger is moved forward) and re coat the whole thing...$200.00 maybe
Total price 960.00
and what do you end up with?
You have a shotgun with no last round bolt hold open, no magwell, no hinged top cover, no self regulating gas system, no rails, the parts are cast not milled etc etc.
For $40.00 more you go from this
to this
Keep in mind that with the saiga you don't get the same features that you're used to on an AK. The gas tube ISN'T removable, and the forend is their hunting designed though for more money you can buy an RPK style.
The appeal is that this is the first time they've been brought into the states. The fact that they aren't $2,500 is mind boggling. I don't expect them to stay at 1000 for long. When saiga 12's first came to the states you could buy them for 250.00. Look at them now. 600+ unconverted.
To put it in AR terms you could buy a bushmaster AR take all the crap off of it, put a new trigger in it, new stock, new rails, better bolt carrier, low pro gas block, troy sights etc etc etc and make something that costs more than a Noveske, looks similar to a Noveske but is no where near as good as a Noveske...Just buy a Noveske
The closest comparison to the Vepr 12 is the saiga 030
Most of the components are the same though again the parts are cast not milled so the fit and finish is not as good, but here's a comparison. Legion is importing the 030 in it's sporter configuration (i.e. u need to move the trigger group, install pistol grip ect)
The cost is 1200-1400$
Note that you still have to buy a conversion kit like the very basic one listed above for 160.00, then blend and weld the holes and recoat the thing for another $200.00.
So for $1560 at the lowest you can get a 030 that's almost as good (cast parts verses milled/standard manufacturer vs custom shop) as a $1000 vepr 12 that is factory original.
That right there should convince you.
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