Only my police officer friend has the right to take your weapon.

[Bill B]

Fantastic plastic or real steel?

 

[Rookie]

Boobs and bacon can solve every problem.

Take the OP. Does he have boobs? No? Can you give him bacon? Yes. Problem solved.

 

[Que]

Boobs and bacon can solve every problem.

Take the OP. Does he have boobs? No? Can you give him bacon? Yes. Problem solved.

I am a bit overweight.

 

[Rookie]

In all seriousness, I'm not sure whose posts you decided were relevant, but was your opinion swayed or no?

 

[Rookie]

I said boobs, not moobs.

 

[lovemachine]

The OP is a bit of a weirdo

 

[Que]

In all seriousness, I'm not sure whose posts you decided were relevant, but was your opinion swayed or no?

Definitely! My worry was similar to how I felt about my soldiers. I would rather face the danger than have them get hurt. In this case I just didn't want to ever hear that my friend got hurt in the line of duty.

It will be my job to pray and ask God to protect him everyday as he serves his community. It will be his job to ensure he learns how to use situational awareness and trust his instincts. Also, it's his job to get some training outside of the academy, to include range time.

Everything will be fine and hopefully he will quickly learn that 99.9% of those he pulls over with guns are not his enemy.

Now, I have to go back and neg rep the guy who said turkey bacon was better than good old pork!

 

[lovemachine]

Now, I have to go back and neg rep the guy who said turkey bacon was better than good old pork!

 

[Bunnykid68]

The real question is Mossberg or Remington?

But the answer Is BACON

 

[Benny]

And turkey bacon is WAY better than regular bacon.

The OP is a bit of a weirdo

Hello pot, meet kettle.

 

[SMiller]

lol, thanks for turning this thread around for the better! Thread sucked anyways, last thing I want to hear about is how some newbie is going to dis-arm me when he pulls me over, yet another reason to keep your mouth shut when being questioned...

 

[roscott]

I'm convinced all threads eventually boil down to the same ten or eleven guys with oodles of rep making fun of each other and INGO.

This thread has reached that point.

 

[Lex Concord]

For all of those who feel the need to go around this mountain again, please go back and read before you honor us with all of your wisdom and knowledge. This thread wasn't about the rookie cop, but me pointing to myself, desiring help to overcome my own uncertainty, brought on by my own emotion rather than the bright red line, which the law provides. Thanks to a few good people on here who saw I was sincerely asking for help, which they provided, I am fine and have an even better understanding of myself.

Not sure if I helped prompt this or not, but my response was genuine and outlines how I would feel and my response to my friend (hypothetically, of course, as I have no friends in Law Enforcement....wait...do I have any friends...)

I just believe liberty to be of higher value than most things, and I wouldn't want my friend to infringe anyone's liberty, no matter how warm and fuzzy it made him feel.

LEO are given great power, and I believe that power comes with a grave responsibility to exercise it only when necessary, not when comfortable or convenient.

I suppose it is possible that, if I had a close friend in LE that I might feel differently...though I try not to feel much, especially outside my family...I try to limit such interactions to thinking.

Now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming of bacon/not bacon debates...

 

[bwframe]

...yet another reason to keep your mouth shut when being questioned...

+/- ? I done this for a couple speeding tickets. They never knew and I got tickets.

The last time I got pulled over I handed the LEO my pink card along with the license (I was kinda OCing, although they might not have noticed.)

The officers words, "are you armed now?" Mine, "I am." Officer, "please leave it where it is." Me, "yes sir."

I received a, weak assed, verbal "warning" and good wishes for the USPSA match I was racing to attend.

You call it.

 

[troy2198]

Who ever the officer is, I would want him to treat me as he would the next guy. Just because I am his friend doesnt mean that I should get any special favors. If he takes everyones weapon while on a stop for safety then I would want him to do the same for me. If everyone gets treated the same then there would be no question in regards to his job of him pulling favors for some while holding the others to the standard. I believe this also translates into the realm of rank or important jobs etc. Short and sweet, treat me like everyone else. I don't need a favor because Im his friend.

 

[right winger]

If asked to give it up I would comply.It would save me from any problems associated with saying no.

 

[indytechnerd]

My only comment for this thread..

...
That little pink paper proves that person is not a criminal.
...

No, it doesn't. Sometimes, I think we forget that. That pink paper proves that the checks by ISP do not return anything that would disqualify the applicant. Guy with 87 speeding tix, might get a pink paper, but is probably still a criminal. Gal who consistently bounces checks, knowing there's no cash in the account...yep, another criminal. Old guy with the heads of a dozen 12yr old girls in his basement...criminal, even if he's never been suspected, caught, questioned, tried, convicted, and sentenced.

We, and I include myself in that 'We', sometimes see our LTCH as a magical good-guy card, we wave it in folks faces and they should immediately recognize us as non-threatening champions of the constitution and whatever else. "Hey, you've got a LTCH, so I trust you with my kid and this $20k in cash."

Instead, we need to remember that our pink paper is just that...a 2"x3" piece of 20lb pink paper infused with standard laser jet black ink. Sure, it's a good indicator of our behavior and propensities to (not) do wrong, but flashing it to the guy at the door of the white house won't get you into the oval office.

 

[cosermann]

... Circumstances

• 15 officers died in ambush situations.
• 8 officers died from felonious attacks during arrest situations.
• 8 officers died during traffic pursuits/stops.
• 6 officers died answering disturbance calls.
• 5 officers died during tactical situations (barricaded offender, hostage taking, etc.).
• 4 officers died while investigating suspicious persons/circumstances.
• 2 officers were killed while transporting or maintaining custody of prisoners.

Your Trooper Friend has just a great a chance of being struck by an auto or injured in a traffic accident than being shot while investigating a Routine Traffic Stop. Someone at ISP definitely has their training priorities out of line

Excellent post putting the risk in perspective. I'll expand on it a bit by asking this question: How many examples of LTCH holders shooting police at traffic stops have actually occured since the 1980s? Anyone?

 

[RedCell]

If it's sitting on the seat, I think I would definitely ask for it. Easier access. If it was in the holster on the guy's hip or in a glove box/center console/etc, I would have him leave it there since it would take a considerably longer time to draw from one of those places than from his seat.

At the end of the day, I'm coming home to my wife and boy. Period.

 

[Specialized]

So I'm pretty new here, and I haven't even figured out how one gets "rep", but my opinion is based on the following:

1. LEO's have a dangerous job, no matter how you slice it. it's what they sign up for, a sort of tax on their desire to help their fellow man. God bless them for doing it, too. It is what it is.

2. The LEO's I have been associated with that have been the most adamant about the "officer safety" angle have been the ones most opposed to or afraid of guns in general, especially in the hands of us mere mortals. I firmly disagree with that viewpoint and see it as elitist, and view that reasoning as an extremely liberal flaw.

3. I view the "I don't know you or your motives" argument as going both ways, and a badge doesn't preempt or trump my constitutional rights to feeling hinky about a cop, or to having the means to do something about it should my feeling turn out to be right.

If a cop feels like he/she has to disarm everybody on the grounds of their total and absolute "safety", I believe they're in the wrong job. Become an insurance agent, or open a stamp-collecting shop, something that better fits with their world view. Don't use a badge as a means of imposing their viewpoint on me, especially when it directly contravenes the Constitution of the United States.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Specialized