Only my police officer friend has the right to take your weapon.

[Wwwildthing]

Arizona does not have a 'requirement to inform' during a LEO encounter... unless asked.

Jared Lee Loughner was in a traffic stop the morning of the Tucson shooting. His Glock 19 was in the car, along with the extended magazine/s... he had legally purchased 2 months prior... from a retail gun store, after passing the NCIS background check.

Point being... your not a criminal, until you actually commit a crime.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Arizona does not have a 'requirement to inform' during a LEO encounter... unless asked.

Jared Lee Loughner was in a traffic stop the morning of the Tucson shooting. His Glock 19 was in the car, along with the extended magazine clip/s... he had legally purchased 2 months prior.

Point being... your not a criminal, until you actually commit a crime.

actually he already was a criminal prior because he was mentaly ill. cant purchase a gun when your a nut

 

[Wwwildthing]

Mental illness (known or unknown) is not a crime.

 

[Bendrx]

IF there is probable cause, and I mean something that is real and not make believe, then yes, disarm. BUT I feel that if there is probable cause the officer should have already called for back up as somebody who needs to be disarmed probably wont hand it over peacefully.

Without probably cause, there is no excuse for disarming a law abiding citizen. Also, speeding or failing to signal is not probable cause, that's just an infraction unless I'm mistaken, but it isn't any reason alone to disarm somebody.

While I don't want anyone to get hurt doing thier job, it IS a known risk of the job. As such, officer safety in this case is akin to a miner demanding that gravity cease while underground. It's not a respectable request.

Also, I bet most officers who habitually violate rights like this lower thier guard after the violation (thier violation that is, not the poor sap they just temporarly robbed). Who's to say they didn't have another gun.Now the officer is worse off then before he disarmed the LTCH holder, assuming the LTCH holder wanted to shoot him. In which case the officer would have probably already been dead. Not pretty, but simple facts. If somebody wants to kill you it isn't that hard.

 

[Bendrx]

actually he already was a criminal prior because he was mentaly ill. cant purchase a gun when your a nut

He wasn't legally a nut yet. Never got reported or officially evaluated if I recall.

 

[Wwwildthing]

"He was stopped by an Arizona Fish and Game Department officer at 7:34 am MST (UTC-7) for running a red light, but once the officer determined there were no outstanding warrants for Loughner, he was allowed to proceed to his destination with a warning to drive carefully."

To my present knowledge, he has not yet received a complete mental evaluation.

 

[printcraft]

Ask your friend to review his oath of office.

This. /\



wow.


I don't even know why this is up for discussion.

I mean, by all means, feel free to discuss it, but again............ wow.

 

[serpicostraight]

using the logic of this leo everyone with a firearm is dangerous and needs to have thier weapon taken even if temporarily. who gets to dissarm who at the next ingo meet and greet?

 

[henktermaat]

This. /



wow.


I don't even know why this is up for discussion.

I mean, by all means, feel free to discuss it, but again............ wow.

yep... the bleating is increasing

 

[desmodue]

So, if I understand the scenario, your friend is a rookie with no experience, little to no knowledge of the law, and apparently zero understanding of the constitution, would "feel better" if he violated everyone's 2A rights.

How is that any different from this:
My sister-in-law hates guns, is afraid of "gun owning wackos", and would "feel better" if all of you would just get over the stupid idea that you have the right or need to own guns. Come on, do the right thing, cut your guns up so my sister-in-law can sleep better at night.

 

[Lex Concord]

Badge or no, no one has the right, though LEOs do have the power.

I've never seen "officer safety" in the IC or as an exception in the IN Constitution...did I miss something?

 

[Que]

So, if I understand the scenario, your friend is a rookie with no experience, little to no knowledge of the law, and apparently zero understanding of the constitution, would "feel better" if he violated everyone's 2A rights.

How is that any different from this:
My sister-in-law hates guns, is afraid of "gun owning wackos", and would "feel better" if all of you would just get over the stupid idea that you have the right or need to own guns. Come on, do the right thing, cut your guns up so my sister-in-law can sleep better at night.

This makes no sense within the context of the opening discussion.

 

[Que]

For all of those who feel the need to go around this mountain again, please go back and read before you honor us with all of your wisdom and knowledge. This thread wasn't about the rookie cop, but me pointing to myself, desiring help to overcome my own uncertainty, brought on by my own emotion rather than the bright red line, which the law provides. Thanks to a few good people on here who saw I was sincerely asking for help, which they provided, I am fine and have an even better understanding of myself.

Now, because we are no longer closing threads, please go ahead and form the conversation to whatever you want, especially those needing to up their post count.

 

[ATM]

Which is better, OC or CC?

 

[printcraft]

Which is better, OC or CC?

Does not matter, you will be relieved of both, for safeties sake don't ya know.

 

[dross]

Which is better, OC or CC?

Hi Point.

And Taurus sucks/is great, and 9mm is useless compared to 45ACP.

 

[lovemachine]

And turkey bacon is WAY better than regular bacon.

 

[Que]

The real question is Mossberg or Remington?

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

Your all way off base.

AK or AR?

 

[Bill B]

And turkey bacon is WAY better than regular bacon.

Negative, ghostrider.
Neg rep inbound



JK on the neg rep, but you are wrong.