China Is Coming For America’s Farms And Food…

[BehindBlueI's]

How do you solve the issue of Smithfield exporting meat to China when there is a shortage here?

If you want the free market answer, pay more.

If you want the government regulated answer, export duties and restrictions. ITAR for pork, if you like. If you weren't aware, there's already restrictions on what meats can and can't be imported/exported and by who. I couldn't bring Iberian hams home with me, nor can I take fruit into Canada so this isn't exactly ground breaking territory.

However do you buy a lot of pig kidney?

"Much of what is exported are items that attract little or no interest from domestic consumers like offal and underutilized muscle cuts," said Keira Lombardo, Smithfield Foods Executive Vice President of Corporate Affairs." For the most part, the U.S. does not export packaged meats products like bacon, ham and sausage.”

Offal are meat cuts made with the internal organs of an animal, including kidneys, tripe, and tongue.

“Specific to Sioux Falls, 100% of what is exported to China is offal," Lombardo said. "No packaged meats products at all are shipped to China."

 

[Ingomike]

If you want the free market answer, pay more.

If you believe the money spent by communists beating out Americans for their own property is free market are not on the same page…

 

[Ingomike]

However do you buy a lot of pig kidney?

Not a fan of hot dogs. LOL

 

[Ingomike]

The US will do exactly what the Chinese would do if they have to - simply take those assets back and give the Chinese the middle finger. But that will never happen because it won't have to happen.

Naaa, A bunch will yell property rights and let them keep them…

 

[spencer rifle]

In the end, you only own what you can possess. I doubt the CCP intends to send PLA forces here to secure their holdings. But I wouldn't put much past them. They may just proxy that out to our own gov, who seems quite cozy with them at present.

The Irish lived on the land and farmed it, but they starved during the potato famine so the British aristocracy could continue to eat steak.

 

[KittySlayer]

This is not so much the case anymore.

Back when my grandpa died in '95, the estate tax exemption was $600K.

For 2022 the estate tax exemption is $12.06 million.

All that said, in 2025, if no action is taken, the estate tax exemption is set to drop back down to $5 million. That would suck hard.

The estate tax is not as bad as it used to be but it certainly takes a good deal of estate planning and luck on the timing of death as the laws are constantly changing. The 2032A special use valuation has also not kept pace with farm land inflation.

And while many people may think the farmer worth $20mil. is rich and can afford to pay taxes at death it is simply one more impediment to keeping the family farm out of China's hands.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

If you believe the money spent by communists beating out Americans for their own property is free market are not on the same page…

OK. The property went up for sale. It was purchased. That's kind of how the free market works. If you wanted the property, outbid them.

Naaa, A bunch will yell property rights and let them keep them…

Pick a lane. Either they bought the farms and can do what they want with them (free market) or you want to restrict the market by limiting who can buy (restricting demand) and then what they can do with their property afterward. If it was wages you'd yell socialism and ask why it's the business of the government to interfere in two party's ability to make a decision without interference.

This from the guy who thinks video cameras shouldn't exist because they violate the 4th and business records with your name on them should require a warrant to see. Curious as to how you'd even know where the meat goes in your world, not your business who's name is on the land title, is it?

 

[Ingomike]

Either they bought the farms and can do what they want with them (free market) or you want to restrict the market by limiting who can buy (restricting demand)

It is astounding to me that folks believe Americans competing in a so called market with communist countries and their proxies, is a “free market”…

 

[Ingomike]

Pick a lane. Either they bought the farms and can do what they want with them (free market)

Don’t let them buy them. My God, you guys are just allowing the sale of our countries assets to mortal enemies of free markets…

 

[Ingomike]

This from the guy who thinks video cameras shouldn't exist because they violate the 4th and business records with your name on them should require a warrant to see. Curious as to how you'd even know where the meat goes in your world, not your business who's name is on the land title, is it?

That is partly right. And I predict that there will come a time you will lament the positions you put forth here, but then it will be too late…

Simplified just for you. Government should not be able to collect data on citizens without a warrant and certainly should not be allowed to compile it in databases…

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If you want the free market answer, pay more.

If you want the government regulated answer, export duties and restrictions. ITAR for pork, if you like. If you weren't aware, there's already restrictions on what meats can and can't be imported/exported and by who. I couldn't bring Iberian hams home with me, nor can I take fruit into Canada so this isn't exactly ground breaking territory.

However do you buy a lot of pig kidney?

So the Chinese like chitlins?

 

[phylodog]

That's criminal

 

[Leo]

I am pretty sure the USA is the only modern country that allows non citizens to own property on our soil.

One of the ways that American concerns have any facility in foreign lands is to assemble and form a company who are all legal citizens of that country. They by the land (with American company funds) Build it to suit the same way and then lease it to the US company. If there is a political problem, the "landlords" take the property away and force the US company to forfeit the real estate. The host nation never looses a sq foot of land.

I have looked at some of these foreign company agreements the Universities sign. Look into it, and just think these contracts are being agreed by the "shining stars" in Academia.

The Bible records a man named Esau that came home tired and hungry and sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. Immediate gratification, but it cost him inheriting his wealthy fathers estate. That is how these deals with universities smell.

The old saying is that "America will sell you the rope that you hang it with to make a quick buck" is not far from reality.

 

[Leo]

So you think it good that china owns all that and processing as well?

Let's think about that.......The same people who knowingly exported baby food with lead in it for years until they got caught.....The people who shipped us fish and fish products full of industrial toxins until they got caught.....The people who fixed the Toxic fish problem by growing them in raw sewage and injecting them full of pesticides and antibiotics to make them "safe".....The same people who grow and import spices that are grown in land contaminated by Industrial waste.....the same people who have been creating biochemical weapons for the last 40 years, and testing them on American citizens....Yep, that is who I trust to own 25% of the meat processing in the country, what could go wrong?

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Not a fan of hot dogs. LOL

Wrong part, hot dogs are lips and ***holes. Which reminds me, when I worked shipping at a pork processing plant I went out to get the driver to sign off on the paperwork and put the tag on the trailer. The driver was complaining that he had been there since 8am, this was about midnight. I looked at the manifest and told him he had 38k lbs of pig lips in his trailer, and it takes time to cut off that many. His eyes got wide and he asked "I'm hauling what?", "38k lbs of pig lips". First and only time I think I ever loaded pig lips on a trailer. A variety of other things, but not pig lips.

Oh that plant was and is owned by the Japanese, Mitsubishi to be exact.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Don’t let them buy them. My God, you guys are just allowing the sale of our countries assets to mortal enemies of free markets…

So you'll wield the power of gov't against the former owners of Smithfield farms to tell them who they can and can't sell to? All your non-interference s/gov't is tyranny/free market principal are outweighed by cheaper pork? You come over to my side that capitalism is harmful without regulation at a pretty low price once it affects your wallet, apparently.

I've already given you a fix. They can't take the farms or land home with them. We have methods within the law to reclaim property if it becomes an issue. We've frozen/seized assets of Russians over the Ukraine thing. We have import/export laws. We even have a law that allows for the direct seizure of food stockpiles from private sources in war time/extreme emergencies (every now and then INGO runs around the table flailing arms about that one). I don't see Americans starving to death due to the lack of pig kidneys yet, so we're probably not to the point it's an issue, but there are a multitude of remedies available that don't require a ban on foreign investment.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Wrong part, hot dogs are lips and ***holes. Which reminds me, when I worked shipping at a pork processing plant I went out to get the driver to sign off on the paperwork and put the tag on the trailer. The driver was complaining that he had been there since 8am, this was about midnight. I looked at the manifest and told him he had 38k lbs of pig lips in his trailer, and it takes time to cut off that many. His eyes got wide and he asked "I'm hauling what?", "38k lbs of pig lips". First and only time I think I ever loaded pig lips on a trailer. A variety of other things, but not pig lips.

Oh that plant was and is owned by the Japanese, Mitsubishi to be exact.

Cutting off pig lips is probably time consuming, but do you put the lipstick on before or after? Do they all get the same shade?

 

[KG1]

Cutting off pig lips is probably time consuming, but do you put the lipstick on before or after? Do they all get the same shade?

Put the lipstick on the hot dog.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Put the lipstick on the hot dog.

That's the kind of outside the box thinking that'll make you a star at any processing plant.

I think the last time I voluntarily sought out and consumed a hot dog was maybe '02. I got a dirty water dog outside Wrigley because not doing so would be like going to Paris and not bothering to see the Eiffel Tower.

I overcame our Chinese overlords and bought a bunch of smoked sausages at Claus' German Meat Market yesterday, though. Like hot dogs for grownups or children who's taste buds have come in...

 

[ditcherman]

This farmland thing keeps coming up, and while I’m fine with banning China ownership of land, that’s not really where the problem is. The direct land ownership is a drop in the bucket. Love that phrase in the article ‘leftover farmland’. Author lost credibility with that one, no such thing. It’s a market, not going to set idle.
The problem is what they control as far as supply and demand in regards to food supply manufacturing.

The problem is the fact that we have given them dollars for trinkets, as eloquently stated above, FOR YEARS. Generations, even. They are in the drivers seat, or at least close, we are on their teat at nearly level, and this has been going on a long time. It’s the macro version of how most on here would look at the inner city welfare problem, as far as being on the teat.