So there shouldn't be any problems if I show up with targets featuring cops at the range right? Just for specialized scenario purposes like a cop trying to gain entry to the wrong house or some such thing right? Or how about soldiers? It's not like they will come and disarm you and steal your gun while you're protecting your property after, I don't know, let's say a hurricane. Or polititions. Really they've never been a threat to us right?
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It's no joke, and they already have over $5M in orders from our federal gov't.
Or OBAMA posters? The Secret Service would be at your doorstep WAITING for you to get home.
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OK smart guy, explain to me what legitimate training value there is in 'realistic' targets that simulate people defending their own homes, families, or personal space? Since you apparently weren't an honor student, let me point out that you don't generally find a legitimate threat in form of granny in her kitchen wearing a housecoat making a snack unless you are the type of moron who kicks in the door on the wrong house not being able to properly read a warrant.
Don't knock what you don't know? I fail to see what there is not to know other than that some people think the police are god (BTW, they aren't). One thing I do know is that most people don't set up exercises to practice something they don't intend to do. It would make more sense to have normal looking people engaged in active shooter or hostage scenarios, not defending themselves and their homes. The only value I can see in practicing like this is the preparation for converting the republic into an authoritarian state.
What they REALLY need to do is make a line of target posters of these people WITHOUT any weapons that includes a woman holding her baby.
Call them the "Lon Horiuchi Series" of targets.
The FBI’s favorite hitman
Call them the "Lon Horiuchi Series" of targets.
The FBI’s favorite hitman
HeadlessRoland
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This just moved my personal paranoia level to DEFCON 1.
Death to all enemies, foreign AND domestic.
I still remember Ruby Ridge.
I remember Waco.
Death to all enemies, foreign AND domestic.
I still remember Ruby Ridge.
I remember Waco.
hornadylnl
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So you don't have a problem with LEO targets either?
I can imagine training scenarios where it would be appropriate.
I'd say my tin foil just got a little clearer. Yes if you threaten a mothers child she could be a threat. Yes if you threaten grandma or grandpa that lived in a nice neighbor hood that turned to crap over the years they could be a threat. There is no defending the need for these kinds of targets. They do not look threatening at all and several are defending the home. Desensitization is a real phenomena. And you know as well as I That the jokes will fly after a training session. To further the cause. I do not shoot at targets of people Silo setts sure but not pictures of people. This is sick. In fact I bet if I were to shoot at a pic of DHS agent or military at a public range, I bet I would get a visit from LEO of some sort. I am so sure of it I would not be willing to try it.
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You have overlooked one very significant issue. The people featured in the targets are shown apparently defending themselves after being interrupted in the middle of ordinary activities. They appear to have been found after kicking in the wrong door rather than engaging in any criminal activity. I could understand a target of a normal-looking person in an active shooter or hostage situation (after all, not all criminals look like Charlie Manson), but these all look like people defending their own homes from intruders who need to be shot. The only practical use for these in training so far as I can tell is desensitizing LEOs to the dark underbelly of subjugating a population rather than fighting crime or anything else remotely similar to 'protect and serve'.
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They forgotto make a target of the armed veteran furious about about gun confiscation.
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That GDMFSB needs to be executed. Anyone else would be on death row without half the murders he has committed.
Those type of targets are definately for "desensitization." No different than the military using "E" silhouette's, "Ivan" targets, pop-up and moving target ranges compared to known-distance firing. Train as you fight, since your target will be human shaped and moving. This is just complete and utter crap IMO.
What is the problem it is only pictures of citizens. I have pictures of police officers beating a guy on a motorcycle to death. His arm is up in the air ready to make that last hit with his kill light. I always try to take out his arm first then go for the head shot. It's all just in good fun and training. Why should any one have any problems with that.
aclark I can't bring them up. Then I have seen them before. There is no reason to train like that in less you plan to do a lot of damage to honest citizens. Stuff like this makes me sick.
aclark I can't bring them up. Then I have seen them before. There is no reason to train like that in less you plan to do a lot of damage to honest citizens. Stuff like this makes me sick.
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