Ft. Hood Shooter Sentenced To Death

[Streak]

I don't think he should be put to death. Everyone here advocating it isn't thinking this out...the man is paralyzed and he wants to be martyr. He thinks dying will:

A) Put him out of his misery of being paralyzed.
B) Make him some sort of god for extremist Islamics
C) Media attention for the purpose of point B

Neither of which I'm inclined to allow him to have. Do we really want justice, to teach a lesson to him? Keep him locked up in a hole for the rest of his natural life, keep him clothed, fed, and out of sight, mind, and tongue. Make it so that NO ONE remembers him and in time that'll hurt him far more than any death penalty ever will. Maybe I'm a sadist, but I think giving him exactly the opposite of what he wants should be the punishment. Make a man obsessed with being important become irrelevant and there's no truer hell.

 

[in625shooter]

I don't think he should be put to death. Everyone here advocating it isn't thinking this out...the man is paralyzed and he wants to be martyr. He thinks dying will:

A) Put him out of his misery of being paralyzed.
B) Make him some sort of god for extremist Islamics
C) Media attention for the purpose of point B

Neither of which I'm inclined to allow him to have. Do we really want justice, to teach a lesson to him? Keep him locked up in a hole for the rest of his natural life, keep him clothed, fed, and out of sight, mind, and tongue. Make it so that NO ONE remembers him and in time that'll hurt him far more than any death penalty ever will. Maybe I'm a sadist, but I think giving him exactly the opposite of what he wants should be the punishment. Make a man obsessed with being important become irrelevant and there's no truer hell.

One thing you are omitting is the fact as a paralyzed inmate there will be a lot of medical expenses involved with incarcerating someone for life. Even an inmate with normal aging let alone someone with extensive medical needs. you can say that that doesn't matter "let them suffer" etc however there are a ton of American Correctional Association rules/policies etc that all institutions go by Military or Governmental or private prisons on the medical care of incarcerated persons whether they had a precondition or received injury during their crime..

The only Martyr he will be is one in his own mind. Sure some that are overseas might be "happy" about him, his cause and his demise for the cause, but that's about as far as it will go. There are 100 others ready to stand up whether we execute him or any or not. We are not talking about someone that robbed a bank, he is pretty much a text book case for justifying the Death Penalty IMHO.

 

[Streak]

One thing you are omitting is the fact as a paralyzed inmate there will be a lot of medical expenses involved with incarcerating someone for life. Even an inmate with normal aging let alone someone with extensive medical needs. you can say that that doesn't matter "let them suffer" etc however there are a ton of American Correctional Association rules/policies etc that all institutions go by Military or Governmental or private prisons on the medical care of incarcerated persons whether they had a precondition or received injury during their crime..

The only Martyr he will be is one in his own mind. Sure some that are overseas might be "happy" about him, his cause and his demise for the cause, but that's about as far as it will go. There are 100 others ready to stand up whether we execute him or any or not. We are not talking about someone that robbed a bank, he is pretty much a text book case for justifying the Death Penalty IMHO.

Again, I don't believe in giving a criminal the punishment he wants and he wants to die. Now is it expensive to keep him alive? I'm gonna go ahead and throw out the idea that his expenses are chump change compared to some of our other expenditures. He shouldn't be given what he wants. He sure as hell didn't give his victims what they wanted.

 

[femurphy77]

Tim McVeigh was convicted on June 2, 1997, sentenced to death on June 13th and executed on June 11, 2001, less than 4 years after sentencing and there were a couple of appeals that were disposed of in that time. It doesn't have to take forever.

I would imagine (speculate) that this being the military justice system, things may be expedited all the more.

Being military that may actually slow it down. The death sentence is granted an automatic appeal and in recent history every death sentence has been overturned.

In this piece of trash's case I hope the son of a ***** gets exactly what he's asking for. Wait'll he finds out the virgins are all 90+ year old gay men!

 

[femurphy77]

How long until Obama signs the death warrant? Anyone taking bets on it?

Presidential pardon? For one of his. . .

 

[Streak]

Presidential pardon? For one of his. . .

His what? Are we still on the "Obama is an Islamic evil socialist" kick? Not every Islamic person is an extremist and there are extremists for every religion under the sun. Christians have extremists in Africa who have this insane idea that they can get away with murders. The Catholic Church believes it can hide pedophiles and that's all OK.

Personally I don't care what a man's religion is. His duty is to make sure he doesn't try and force it down my throat and for everything Obama is, he certainly hasn't tried to force religion into government.

Perhaps I take offense to the Islamic hating comments because I know/work with GOOD people who are Islamic and they're happy to see the justice dished out on this guy. They don't support the extremist views on things and for all of the hate the extremist Islamic people put out, there's no excuse for the rest of us to hate the entire religion. Half of the problem in today's society is that we're so quick to jump on and hate an entire group of people based on the actions of the few.

If you want to hate on Obama, hate on him for the spying thing. Hate on him for throwing away our right of privacy. Don't but stupid and hate the man on baseless claims that, in the end, don't matter. He could be Pagan and it shouldn't matter.

 

[CavMedic]

^^^this^^^
Having been to that part of the world I can say there are so many people that are not.of that mindset.

 

[in625shooter]

Again, I don't believe in giving a criminal the punishment he wants and he wants to die. Now is it expensive to keep him alive? I'm gonna go ahead and throw out the idea that his expenses are chump change compared to some of our other expenditures. He shouldn't be given what he wants. He sure as hell didn't give his victims what they wanted.

The only thing he has hinted at is that he wants is to die. Other than that what are "we" really giving him. He doesn't get to pick the method. His type day dream about some heroic loud death not falling asleep forever in a quite room un noticed with a blip of a one line narrative on the news. As far as cost again it costs multiple of millions for someone of medical needs of his type to be incarcerated over his lifetime. You don't even have to look at capital cases look at how much the state and federal systems spend on long term health care for inmates with medical issues both pre conditioned and ones that were injured/became disabled during their crime. The costs are enormous.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

Tim McVeigh was convicted on June 2, 1997, sentenced to death on June 13th and executed on June 11, 2001, less than 4 years after sentencing and there were a couple of appeals that were disposed of in that time. It doesn't have to take forever.

I would imagine (speculate) that this being the military justice system, things may be expedited all the more.

McVeigh also dropped all of his appeals rather quickly. This could drag out for ages.

 

[in625shooter]

McVeigh also dropped all of his appeals rather quickly. This could drag out for ages.

McVeigh did drop most of his appeals but the biggest hold up for McViegh was the FBI having undisclosed evidence discovered pushing back McVeigh's original execution date of 16 May to 11 June and in between that time his lawyers and him filled an appeal not for a stay but to not allow the victims family to watch from OK City. This was done because what most folks do not realize McVeigh was convicted of only 8 counts of murder. The Government only filed charges on the 8 Federal Officers killed. Not because they were more valuable but there was a "concern" by the Government that with the Pro Militia movement of the mid 1990's there was a chance of McVeigh getting acquitted. If that happened on those 8 counts of murder the Government has 160 other murder charges they can file against him and it's not "double jeopardy" That is why he was not charged for all 168 at one. There were some other charges as well, Using a weapon of mass destruction and others. Only 11 counts in all.


His argument was since he wasn't convicted of their murders they shouldn't get to watch. The Government told them to get bent and they lost that legal battle and the victims got to watch via secure satellite tv.

That is not really a concern in the FT Hood case, not a lot of folks here sympathetic to the FT Hood shooters plight!

 

[HeadlessRoland]

McVeigh did drop most of his appeals but the biggest hold up for McViegh was the FBI having undisclosed evidence discovered pushing back McVeigh's original execution date of 16 May to 11 June and in between that time his lawyers and him filled an appeal not for a stay but to not allow the victims family to watch from OK City. This was done because what most folks do not realize McVeigh was convicted of only 8 counts of murder. The Government only filed charges on the 8 Federal Officers killed. Not because they were more valuable but there was a "concern" by the Government that with the Pro Militia movement of the mid 1990's there was a chance of McVeigh getting acquitted. If that happened on those 8 counts of murder the Government has 160 other murder charges they can file against him and it's not "double jeopardy" That is why he was not charged for all 168 at one. There were some other charges as well, Using a weapon of mass destruction and others. Only 11 counts in all.


His argument was since he wasn't convicted of their murders they shouldn't get to watch. The Government told them to get bent and they lost that legal battle and the victims got to watch via secure satellite tv.

That is not really a concern in the FT Hood case, not a lot of folks here sympathetic to the FT Hood shooters plight!

Actually, yes, I knew about the relative paucity of charges. Disappointing.

Terrorist kills 168 people with a 5,000 pound ANNM/ANFO truck bomb and only gets 8 counts of murder.

Department of (In)Justice. But, it really does show you what is important to the State.

As for Hasan, here's to hoping he gets the rope, and not a quick jab to the arm.

 

[in625shooter]

Actually, yes, I knew about the relative paucity of charges. Disappointing.

Terrorist kills 168 people with a 5,000 pound ANNM/ANFO truck bomb and only gets 8 counts of murder.

Department of (In)Justice. But, it really does show you what is important to the State.

As for Hasan, here's to hoping he gets the rope, and not a quick jab to the arm.

Actually DOJ did everything right in the McVeigh case. They were positioned to move forward with more charges if acquitted and even though he was not convicted of the majority of murders every victims family members got to witness his demise. How is that in justice? As far as Hasan he won't be hanged like it or not lethal injection is what will happen now. hopefully the family members of his victims will find closure and the Military will label it an actual terrorist attack so those family members and survivors can get the benefits they really deserve. That is the real in justice!

 

[mk2ja]

As for Hasan, here's to hoping he gets the rope, and not a quick jab to the arm.

A short drop and a sudden stop.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

A short drop and a sudden stop.

Cheers.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

If you've read the entirety of the thread and still have to ask, then you wouldn't understand anyway.

I've read the entire thread (so far); I want to know who/why YOU think the way you do. Perhaps we agree, perhaps not, but I'd still like to see something besides the bare opinion.

 

[mbills2223]

I've read the entire thread (so far); I want to know who/why YOU think the way you do. Perhaps we agree, perhaps not, but I'd still like to see something besides the bare opinion.

All those who are suggesting punishment for this lunatic that would violate his 8th Amendment right(s). Bathing him in pig blood, bacon, torturing him, etc...

I personally think we as a nation are better than that. That might be what he DESERVES, but that doesn't make it right.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

All those who are suggesting punishment for this lunatic that would violate his 8th Amendment right(s). Bathing him in pig blood, bacon, torturing him, etc...

I personally think we as a nation are better than that. That might be what he DESERVES, but that doesn't make it right.

Aahh! I see. So, do you suppose that any of your fellow INGOers would carry out any of these barbarisms if offered the chance to do so, or do you suppose that perhaps they are letting off steam because of their outrage at the cruel and unusual punishment meted out to the victims of the Ft. Hood Massacre and their families? Or do you think that some of your fellow INGOers are just immoral animals who should be put down before they violate someone's Constitutional Rights (as adjudicated by various liberal judges on various federal courts)?

 

[mbills2223]

Aahh! I see. So, do you suppose that any of your fellow INGOers would carry out any of these barbarisms if offered the chance to do so, or do you suppose that perhaps they are letting off steam because of their outrage at the cruel and unusual punishment meted out to the victims of the Ft. Hood Massacre and their families? Or do you think that some of your fellow INGOers are just immoral animals who should be put down before they violate someone's Constitutional Rights (as adjudicated by various liberal judges on various federal courts)?

Why they are doing it is not my concern. I was simply voicing disgust with what they were saying. The fact that they would even say it or think it is disturbing to me personally.

 

[printcraft]

Well.............. I kind of have to give one to old Lil' Kim Jong Un........

I think it might be a good alternative in this instance................ +1 for creativity.

She was luckier than Kim Chol, vice minister of the army, who was executed with a mortar round in October 2012.Kim Chol was reportedly executed for drinking and carousing during the official mourning period after Kim Jong-il's death.
On the explicit orders of Kim Jong-un to leave "no trace of him behind, down to his hair," according to South Korean media, Kim Chol was forced to stand on a spot that had been zeroed in for a mortar round and "obliterated."

 

[JasonB]

Hope it isn't by Firing Squad, no point giving Bloomberg another name to put in his Gun Violence List.

Plus with Ammo Shortage still going on why waste any 9mm, 556 or 45 Rounds... Donated Rope idea posted sounds like best plan...