Heavily-armed citizen militia group plans to patrol smuggling corridor

[Benny]

Correction******


One dead, 3 captured

The one who is dead, died of the elements. I hope they post his body high up, and let it be a warning

Good to hear...I'm sure dying from water, food or heat related problems wouldn't be a pleasant way to die and they deserved very second of their suffering, considering they put their self in that position.

Anyway, again:

When will that be appropriate? I haven't a clue as to what border laws entail, but if they saw someone, wouldn't they have to call the authorities? What exactly are they allowed to do?

I'd really like to hear the answers to these questions.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Good to hear...I'm sure dying from water, food or heat related problems wouldn't be a pleasant way to die and they deserved very second of their suffering, considering they put their self in that position.

Anyway, again:



I'd really like to hear the answers to these questions.

I cant imagine how it must be, the guy they captured, whose on youtube, was beat up pretty bad (AND NO NOT BY THE NSM, but again, by the elements.)


I can ask Ready.... Your question, and those who are currently in Az, right now. Infact, I will.

I would have to say, that lawfully, I believe they would only seek to detain, and if attacked, would unleash an American demon on the illegals.

Each illegal they've captured, has been handed over to border security.

Im guessing your answer, if you get one, may be similar.

 

[Benny]

I cant imagine how it must be, the guy they captured, whose on youtube, was beat up pretty bad (AND NO NOT BY THE NSM, but again, by the elements.)


I can ask Ready.... Your question, and those who are currently in Az, right now. Infact, I will.

I would have to say, that lawfully, I believe they would only seek to detain, and if attacked, would unleash an American demon on the illegals.

Each illegal they've captured, has been handed over to border security.

Im guessing your answer, if you get one, may be similar.

But they have zero authority...Is every detention/kill being videotaped? If actual authorities(border patrol) have been thrown in prison for shooting illegals, why wouldn't a bunch of military wannabes?

Don't get me wrong, I FULLY support their cause, but this all seems really foolish on their parts...I'd really hate to see any good-hearted, American-loving patriot go to prison for ANY amount of time for killing some sack of trying to bring drugs into our country.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Im not sure what Az's law are. But isnt there authority in Citizens Arrest clause?
Im not sure about your questions, regarding the recording of events, not that I think it would matter with an Obama Justice System.

As far as the Border Security, I cannot answer for they're rules and regulations, or how this Ready's Rangers can translate into the law.

I support them in this Crusade for American; I believe this is a probably best defined as you said Foolish, or incredibly Brave.

I can imagine, if anything kicks off. These guys will be demonized by the media as evil nazis, and the illegal aliens will be given some "Peaceful" image.
I guess there just comes a day when people say "enough". And I fully support them for this.


My heart goes out to them; They're sacrifice is paramount, IMO.

 

[IndyMonkey]

But they have zero authority...Is every detention/kill being videotaped? If actual authorities(border patrol) have been thrown in prison for shooting illegals, why wouldn't a bunch of military wannabes?

Don't get me wrong, I FULLY support their cause, but this all seems really foolish on their parts...I'd really hate to see any good-hearted, American-loving patriot go to prison for ANY amount of time for killing some sack of trying to bring drugs into our country.

Im sure its legal for you to arrest a bank robber if you please too....or a child molester that you catch in the act, or some one stealing your car, or someone illegal entering the country. See the connection?

 

[theweakerbrother]

Military-style long arms (I can place them in my name if folks do not want them registered)

I had to be that guy, but I've got to be THAT GUY.

What gun registration? Firearms terminology fail.

 

[sadclownwp]

At least there are people that are fighting to defend the boarder, lord knows if the government would do it, it would not have fallen on the militia to do so.

 

[tnek]

Even though I strongly agree with the premise I can see nothing but FAIL coming out of this. The left wingers and their media coherts will portray anybody that wants to do this as Nazi Racist. They tried to do this a few years ago and it went nowhere. If you want to do something effectively just do it, unannounced and unadvertised.

Shoot, shovel, shut up.

 

[Expat]

Im sure its legal for you to arrest a bank robber if you please too....or a child molester that you catch in the act, or some one stealing your car, or someone illegal entering the country. See the connection?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efgLHgsBmM]YouTube - Citizens Arrest[/ame]

 

[88GT]

At least there are people that are fighting to defend the boarder, lord knows if the government would do it, it would not have fallen on the militia to do so.

And lost in this entire discussion is the fact that we, as citizens, are obligated to pick up the slack where our federal authorities fail. I don't give a flying rat's ass what the laws are about protecting our border when the federal government has abandoned their enforcement and by such action has directly impacted this nation's security and liberties.

All bets are off and it might as well be 1775 again.

 

[Colt556]

And lost in this entire discussion is the fact that we, as citizens, are obligated to pick up the slack where our federal authorities fail. I don't give a flying rat's ass what the laws are about protecting our border when the federal government has abandoned their enforcement and by such action has directly impacted this nation's security and liberties.

All bets are off and it might as well be 1775 again.

 

[Eric0321]

I was just ranting about this on FB and Buzz earlier. Not surprised to see it here I guess

Militias have been around these parts since before we were a country. And apparently, at times, can be just as necessary as they were back then. If our government cannot protect us, then they give us no choice. Agree with many of the comments hoping that if they do get into an armed altercation with Illegals, none of them go to prison for it. That would be a bona fide damned tragedy!

 

[Eddie]

Im sure its legal for you to arrest a bank robber if you please too....or a child molester that you catch in the act, or some one stealing your car, or someone illegal entering the country. See the connection?

Arizona Statutes
Title 13. Criminal Code
Chapter 38. MISCELLANEOUS
Article 7. Arrest
Current through 2009 Legislative Session
§ 13-3884. Arrest by private person
A private person may make an arrest:
1. When the person to be arrested has in his presence committed a misdemeanor amounting to a breach of the peace, or a felony.
2. When a felony has been in fact committed and he has reasonable ground to believe that the person to be arrested has committed it.
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[SSGSAD]

Boy, would I LOVE to go to Az. !!!!!

 

[millsusaf]

Even though I strongly agree with the premise I can see nothing but FAIL coming out of this. The left wingers and their media coherts will portray anybody that wants to do this as Nazi Racist. They tried to do this a few years ago and it went nowhere. If you want to do something effectively just do it, unannounced and unadvertised.

The video I just finished watching of a large group that was doing the same things in which the people looked very similar were a group of 88ers...aka skinheads ....aka Nazi's.

I agree, I like the premise but the it has to be done in the right way by the right group. 88ers are NOT the right group to be doing.

 

[techres]

If our government cannot protect us, then they give us no choice.

Protect - yes.

But which protect?

The big, existential, national protect from illegal immigration? That is one thing - hound your elected officials.

The personal, you went out there with a rifle and put yourself in the direction of trouble and later shot someone at 3am in a disputed situation? Good luck at court.

The personal, you went out to help a friend protect his own property and you protected his home and person with a direct, threatening intruder? You will likely have good luck in court if it gets there.

This is a real thing. Real people. Real firearms. And, sooner or later, real blood on the ground and later in the courtroom before a jury.

 

[jeremy]

Just be prepared when those people you are looking for are either themselves better armed, or the police/army escorting them are better armed, than you were prepared for.

So, if you go down in Molle and slung up with your FAL, be ready for the two following situations:

A) Destitute family with small children who are dehydrated and not going back.
B) Armed gang, or group with army support, that bear down on you with a HUMMV and a M2.

Shoot in (A) and you are a murderer, shoot in (B) and you are likely dead - frankly if you do not shoot in (B) you are likely worse off than dead.

I understand the desire, and pull to try and fill in where our government has failed us. But at the same time, you had better spend some real serious time playing out all the variations of how bad the border is and how you can actually help the situation.

I dunno. But anyone doing this needs to thing REAL HARD first.

Option A is very easy to deal with. Provide Water, Food, and Med attention to them on the way to the nearest Detention Facility.

Option B, well that one is a little bit trickier to deal out an answer on. However, that being said it is not one that is impossible to deal with. A little bit of Terrain Analysis, throw in some tactics to offset their advantages and it to can be handled in a pretty sound fashion.

Been to Mexico, I have trained with what they call a Military. I think Option B could actually be pulled off fairly easily at that. It would not be easy. Just the Logistics of the situation alone make it a very difficult task to do. Let alone all the other billion details that would either be needed during or after the situations unfolded.

Very Well said. I wonder how many are just "Keyboard Commandos"? It is so easy to talk about getting into shooting fight or hunting down the thuds, etc. Different story when the target is firing back at you. Mostly likely, these people have killed before and are experienced in real fights versus shooting some steel plates or paper targets.

I can think of probably of several people on this site that I would have little problem trying this out with. I must be a "Keyboard Commando" then...

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

The video I just finished watching of a large group that was doing the same things in which the people looked very similar were a group of 88ers...aka skinheads ....aka Nazi's.

I agree, I like the premise but the it has to be done in the right way by the right group. 88ers are NOT the right group to be doing.

Um, this is being set up by the NSM. Which is why you are seeing some of the 'typical' stuff.


So far...... I think they are handling it pretty decently, considering I havent read about them outrightly killing those they have gotten, or worse.

What is interesting is, I have not heard anything negative from the main stream media about 'abuse' from the nsm to the illegals.

And I agree, the NSM shouldnt be doing this... But they are, and it is speaking volumes. Why arent other groups doing this? Why must the NSM do it? A failed Government? A cowardly Citizen populationed too coked up on PC liberalism?

It's all speculation, but one thing is sure, Obama is going to sue Az, he's attempting to find loopholes to grant the illegals, and these guys, Ready's Rangers will be sitting in a jail cell pretty soon for being Patriots and doing America some Justice.

 

[jeremy]

Arizona Statutes
Title 13. Criminal Code
Chapter 38. MISCELLANEOUS
Article 7. Arrest
Current through 2009 Legislative Session
§ 13-3884. Arrest by private person
A private person may make an arrest:
1. When the person to be arrested has in his presence committed a misdemeanor amounting to a breach of the peace, or a felony.
2. When a felony has been in fact committed and he has reasonable ground to believe that the person to be arrested has committed it.
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So is Entering the Border Illegally a Felony?!

 

[mrjarrell]

So is Entering the Border Illegally a Felony?!

You mean crossing the border? Nope. It's a misdemeanor.