I hope we get to see some riots on tv ...

[ThrottleJockey]

They didn't bail out gm or chrysler because they were to big to fail.and they didn't bail out the financial institutes(housing),or the big banks for that reason either.they bailed out all of these entities to make the government bigger. With the new "food safety bill",and owning a big chunk of housing,automobile industry,banks,food etc. Looks like everything is going as planned.think about it,the government is starting to own everything. Once you own everything. You can do what you want with it.and it is a lot easier to control everyone and everything,when you are the sole provider. I am not real smart,but you can see where it is all going. Just my .02

Unfortunately it's too late to stop it. I've tried telling people for over 20 years....I tried to tell them when the turning point was upon us....now that there's nothing left that can stop it, people are beginning to open their eyes and get angry...WTF? It's too late, nothing left to do now but cry and remember what a great nation this was that we traded away for a bag of beads.....

 

[Leadeye]

There is no good in riots anywhere in the US. Just like in 68 everybody will pay the cost through higher insurance premiums and taxes for social programs to repair the damage.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

When I've visited Cali., (lived there for 7 years moved when I was 13) you don't have to go very far out of the metro areas to find conservative, sane, or like minded individuals. Those are the ones I feel most sorry for. Very similar to the situation in Illinois. "Ruled by the Majority". Your only option is to vote with your feet.

Spot on Mr Owl!

It was exactly such an area that I moved from. Your analysis could not be more correct. And was I in Southern Ill. I think I'd do the same thing that I did from California.

Duncan -

I get the gallows humor. Been known to have a dark sense of humor myself. The potential collateral impacts of that kind of a meltdown have me a little humorless on the topic. To each their own. And yeah, I can understand why folks - especially from outside of there, might consider it poetic justice.

I still see no good in celebrating that big of a calamity. A little "I told you so..." is certainly in order, if and when things happen. That's probably fair. Even some "righteous indignation". I fear though that any degree of smugness that any of us have (since of course we'd be proven right) will be quickly replaced by horror, followed by concern for our own situation. I hope I'm not right.

I TOTALLY see your point about California not affecting you. I still think that the collapse of a state into chaos would greatly affect us all.

Given the nature of what I'm hearing, that Russian former KGB guy that predicted the eventual split up of the Republic isn't sounding as crazy as he once did. I'm not sure that that's a good thing.

Thanks for keeping the discussion cordial, sir. One thing's for sure - we definitely live in "interesting times"...

 

[machete]

Given the nature of what I'm hearing, that Russian former KGB guy that predicted the eventual split up of the Republic isn't sounding as crazy as he once did. I'm not sure that that's a good thing.

a little shake up might not hurt... its 2011,,,and you cant buy a beer on sunday in indiana or place a bet on the super bowl... i can imagine more freedom than this... like ron paul said,,,he would rather be poorer to be freer...

 

[Duncan]

Spot on Mr Owl!

It was exactly such an area that I moved from. Your analysis could not be more correct. And was I in Southern Ill. I think I'd do the same thing that I did from California.

Duncan -

I get the gallows humor. Been known to have a dark sense of humor myself. The potential collateral impacts of that kind of a meltdown have me a little humorless on the topic. To each their own. And yeah, I can understand why folks - especially from outside of there, might consider it poetic justice.

I still see no good in celebrating that big of a calamity. A little "I told you so..." is certainly in order, if and when things happen. That's probably fair. Even some "righteous indignation". I fear though that any degree of smugness that any of us have (since of course we'd be proven right) will be quickly replaced by horror, followed by concern for our own situation. I hope I'm not right.

I TOTALLY see your point about California not affecting you. I still think that the collapse of a state into chaos would greatly affect us all.

Given the nature of what I'm hearing, that Russian former KGB guy that predicted the eventual split up of the Republic isn't sounding as crazy as he once did. I'm not sure that that's a good thing.

Thanks for keeping the discussion cordial, sir. One thing's for sure - we definitely live in "interesting times"...

Yes it will affect me , you and the nation at large ... just not to the intensity of them directly .

I never did think that the KGB agent was off , if we are thinking of the same guy ...
Hell the John Birtch'ers were talking about this crap in the 60"s

Take care
Duncan

 

[Hotdoger]

Spot on Mr Owl!

It was exactly such an area that I moved from. Your analysis could not be more correct. And was I in Southern Ill. I think I'd do the same thing that I did from California.

No difference from S IL. to Cali in my mind.

Lots of union coal miners and welfare rat voters. Plenty of leftists in Carbondale and plenty of farmers on subsidies.

 

[jedi]

It should... Mitch Daniels is a genius though....
[/size]Indiana is a real peach when it comes to taxes and fees.

What do you mean by this? I don't understand.

My guess is that if we do, states such as Texas will likely request to secede from the Union and become their own country (again).

I don't see them jumping up and down to help bail out California.

Hum.. what worked real well for the SOUTH the last time the country tried it.

isnt illinois sales tax like 9.25%

Incorrect. IL sales tax is 6.25
Illinois Sales Taxes
HOWEVER each county and city/town can ADD to the baseline sales tax.

Thus if you add the "county/city" add-on sales tax in certain parts of IL (ie. Chicago) you can get to 11.5%! Which is the HIGHEST in the nation.

Sales taxes in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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[ol' trucker]

Unfortunately it's too late to stop it. I've tried telling people for over 20 years....I tried to tell them when the turning point was upon us....now that there's nothing left that can stop it, people are beginning to open their eyes and get angry...WTF? It's too late, nothing left to do now but cry and remember what a great nation this was that we traded away for a bag of beads.....

Yes Sir. but thanks for doing your part. You crazy dude.

 

[TopDog]

The problem is that there will be no super bowl next year due to the lockout (sure we got it, but it won't even happen). To make it worse, the lockout is intentional and there will no longer be an NFL at all, but it is going to be the IFL. Other nations like England are applying for franchises. I believe the lockout is intentionally happening in order to restructure internationally and will destroy football in the long run.

We seem to have two topics going in this thread now. The rightful demise of CA then the consequences and state of Football.

Football was destroyed a long time ago. It stopped being a sport and became nothing more than a business. Any game that lasts around 4 hours and the ball only moves an average of 11 minutes has lost touch with being a sport. Its all about money and now they want more. Football should be boycotted to save it from total disintegration. I stopped watching football because of what it has become.

Now as to CA. Yes if it goes down we all suffer. How much? It depends on the level of bail out from the federal government using our tax dollars. As I said I don't want to see anyone suffer but I would rather see a cleansing by fire in CA than the effects of its bailout on the rest of us. Either way its going to hurt all of us, and I mean a lot of hurt. I would just rather bite the bullet and let it burn than nurse the disease that is CA back up on its clay feet.

 

[Redskinsfan]

I believe the above statement about California's sales tax being the highest is incorrect. Tennessee's sales tax is 9.5% as I recall.

Terry

 

[ThrottleJockey]

I believe the above statement about California's sales tax being the highest is incorrect. Tennessee's sales tax is 9.5% as I recall.

Terry

Yes, but Tennessee has a one time property tax. It sort of balances out on the bottom line. Make no mistake, Tennessee has it closer to correct than the rest of us.

 

[Expat]

Sales tax can be tricky. Over in Ohio, the state has a sales tax and then the counties can add on to that figure. So each county can be different. Other states maybe the same way. So when you read the state sales tax is 6%, you may be paying 8% because of the county.

 

[jedi]

I believe the above statement about California's sales tax being the highest is incorrect. Tennessee's sales tax is 9.5% as I recall.

Terry

Yes & No.

The BASE sales tax in TN (see here: Sales taxes in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) is 7% but some states like IL and TN allow the counties/town to do an "add-on" tax on top of the sales tax and it's still called the "state sales tax". In the case of TN it's an added 2.5% (max) in some areas.

Just like Chicago. IL base sales tax is 6.25 but in downtown Chicago the sales tax is 10.5% the extra 4.25 is actually 2 add-on sales tax. One for Cook County IL and one for the City of Chicago!

So if you buy a $1 McBurger in downtown its really 1.11 but you can go to say Springfield, IL and that $1 MrBurger will cost you 1.06 because the "add-on" tax is different!

 

[Hotdoger]

Yes, but Tennessee has a one time property tax. It sort of balances out on the bottom line. Make no mistake, Tennessee has it closer to correct than the rest of us.

Correct on the "closer to correct " point! :

Tennessee does not tax individual wage income earned by its residents.

 

[mrjarrell]

Sales tax can be tricky. Over in Ohio, the state has a sales tax and then the counties can add on to that figure. So each county can be different. Other states maybe the same way. So when you read the state sales tax is 6%, you may be paying 8% because of the county.

Just like living in Indiana in the so-called donut counties.

 

[level.eleven]

Just like living in Indiana in the so-called donut counties.

But, we have a Super Bowl.

 

[Hotdoger]

Just like living in Indiana in the so-called donut counties.

Yea lucus is so great and the new convention center is so awesome and the CIB has been stellar in their actions ..

We drive to Lafayette to eat out and shop.

 

[Cherryspringer]

California is beautiful. The trouble is with all of the californians.

 

[rooster007]

Yea lucus is so great and the new convention center is so awesome and the CIB has be stellar in their actions ..

We drive to Lafayette to eat out and shop.

My buddy was in LOVE with Lucas Oil Stadium until ........ both of his daughters got married . He found what the entertainment tax was all about . Daughter #1 reception $26,000, Daughter #2 reception $31,000.
He sent the Colts over $500.00 in taxes and those cheap a**@ idn't even send a present.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

But, we have a Super Bowl.

When? In a year without an NFL? Or perhaps we will get it a few years later when it is the IFL? We got screwed.