ISP pulled over and Disarmed

[nickman54]

If I discovered on of my friends keeping their firearm stored in such a jackassish way, I would not be able to hold back the flow of "stern education" that would fly from my mouth with great force and speed. I'm sure the officer frowned upon that as well, which is probably why your buddy got what he got. If everything was squared away in a respectful, responsible manner, things may have gone differently. Just my personal thoughts on the matter.

Yep that's got to be it, he was mad about the safety part of it, that's why he muzzle swept me..... Your handle may not be true.... I didn't come here for a lecture on holsters, just the actions of the officer and situation.

 

[45fan]

I would have to agree with this. Once he offered the trooper the option of retrieving it from the glove box he was giving his consent.

Im no layer, but this is my opinion as well. Generally, I try to be agreeable when dealing with police, but I DO NOT OFFER THEM ANYTHING
Any time you interact with them, it is their job to look for anything that may be a reason to dig deeper. The more opportunity they are given, the deeper they will dig.bakn

Of course, I am speaking in general terms, as there are always going to be officers that couldnt care less about digging any deeper than is required to issue the ticket, and more on. But then, there are also those that look for the worlds larges Heroin trafficking, child smuggling bank robbery ring bust in history at every terry stop.

I find it best to not chum for sharks until I am out of the water.

 

[SteveM4A1]

I don't know how, when or why but at some point in police culture it became an unwritten rule that all firearms an officer encounters while on duty needed to be checked to make sure they weren't stolen. That is how I was trained initially and I did it for probably a year and a half before I thought to question the practice. I stopped doing it at that point and have since done what I can to shed some light on the practice for other officers.

I'm not saying it's right because I don't agree with it. I don't think many (maybe even most) officers have pondered whether it makes sense or is the right thing to do.

That's good to know. I know an individual who has been pulled over by ISP a few times recently and the troopers never even glanced at the firearm once told about it or seemed to care. Let's hope this will be the norm in the future.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It is a good piece of advice, I was busting you chops in B/W.

Oh. Sorry. My sarcasm meter must be on the fritz again.

 

[Wild Deuce]

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[nickman54]

I don't know how, when or why but at some point in police culture it became an unwritten rule that all firearms an officer encounters while on duty needed to be checked to make sure they weren't stolen. That is how I was trained initially and I did it for probably a year and a half before I thought to question the practice. I stopped doing it at that point and have since done what I can to shed some light on the practice for other officers.

I'm not saying it's right because I don't agree with it. I don't think many (maybe even most) officers have pondered whether it makes sense or is the right thing to do.

Thank you, you sound like you are a good guy. I am not one to bash cops and to be honest, this guy wasn't a jerk, just felt like we were being treated as criminals for a seat belt violation. Ive already sent a few texts to my friend about some of these things that were discussed in this thread and he will be changing his habits.

 

[nickman54]

You may not have come here for a lecture on holsters but it's INGO ... so you're going to get one whether you like it or not!

lol, I haven't been around much lately I must have forgot!

 

[Yup!]

Thank you, you sound like you are a good guy. I am not one to bash cops and to be honest, this guy wasn't a jerk, just felt like we were being treated as criminals for a seat belt violation. Ive already sent a few texts to my friend about some of these things that were discussed in this thread and he will be changing his habits.

Isn't it a law that you must wear your seatbelt?

 

[phylodog]

Isn't it a law that you must wear your seatbelt?

Failure to wear a seat belt is a civil infraction, not a crime.

 

[Yup!]

Failure to wear a seat belt is a civil infraction, not a crime.

Oh, so they were obeying the Law?

 

[nickman54]

Isn't it a law that you must wear your seatbelt?

Lol, yep it is, I should have said hardened criminals in that post. Neither of us have neck tattoos so there wasn't probable cause.

 

[VUPDblue]

Oh, so they were obeying the Law?

No. They just were not committing a crime.

 

[Yup!]

Lol, yep it is, I should have said hardened criminals in that post. Neither of us have neck tattoos so there wasn't probable cause.

Its a slippery slope, fist no seatbelt, next it's serial killings!

 

[Yup!]

No. They just were not committing a crime.

Got it.

 

[remauto1187]

I don't know how, when or why but at some point in police culture it became an unwritten rule that all firearms an officer encounters while on duty needed to be checked to make sure they weren't stolen. That is how I was trained initially and I did it for probably a year and a half before I thought to question the practice. I stopped doing it at that point and have since done what I can to shed some light on the practice for other officers.

I'm not saying it's right because I don't agree with it. I don't think many (maybe even most) officers have pondered whether it makes sense or is the right thing to do.

Im curious, How many stolen guns have you "found" during your year and a half of running numbers? Is it common for stolen guns to "be located" during police stop-n-run-the-numbers routine?

 

[Yup!]

Im curious, How many stolen guns have you "found" during your year and a half of running numbers? Is it common for stolen guns to "be located" during police stop-n-run-the-numbers routine?

I've lost a couple of GPS units to thieves.. Perhaps they can start running serial #'s of portable GPS units too..

 

[VUPDblue]

Im curious, How many stolen guns have you "found" during your year and a half of running numbers? Is it common for stolen guns to "be located" during police stop-n-run-the-numbers routine?

Of the guns I run, I would say that about 25-30% are stolen.

 

[Yup!]

Of the guns I run, I would say that about 25-30% are stolen.

NEVER would have guessed that.. WOW!

 

[phylodog]

Im curious, How many stolen guns have you "found" during your year and a half of running numbers? Is it common for stolen guns to "be located" during police stop-n-run-the-numbers routine?

Quite a few actually as VUPD mentioned and in spite of Yup's smart ass remarks. I still didn't (and don't) see that the end justifies the means.

 

[VUPDblue]

NEVER would have guessed that.. WOW!

I don't run guns that tax paying folk have on them during a traffic stop. If I did that, my estimated percentage would be <1%. I also don't run many guns overall.