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I don't think Dross or SemperFi or J_wales are supporting the quagmire of nation building. If I read them correctly, rather than the tentative, politically correct, sensitive, manner way we've been conducting wars, we should only go when our interests are attacked or threatened; go in fast and with resolve; do what we have to do to get it over with as quickly as possible; and only help rebuild when the enemy truely surrenders.
I think many are finally realizing we cannot pick sides of every conflict. And we should mind our own business until they make it our business. And make sure they regret attacking us or supporting those who attacked us.
SemperFiUSMC
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We should have responded to al Sadr's attacks with a MOAB.
SemperFiUSMC
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I want nothing to do with nation building. If we have to destroy them why the hell do we want to build them back up so we have to do it all over again?
Could be. I get them mixed up.
This is actually what I have said since the beginning of the ‘WAR’. We defeated the Germans and the Japanese by not worry about what anyone thought and by doing what was necessary to WIN the war. You cannot build a nation and create a democratic state where neither is wanted. I think it was Tim Burton who took the heat in the beginning by suggesting tactical nuclear weapons
RIGHT ON !!! and SEMPER FI !!!!
I admit, I was a "bring them freedom" guy. I still think it's right for everyone, I still think we have moral justification to free an enslaved people. I just think it's too much trouble.
Now my position is that we respond so fast and so hard and so "disproportionally" that we strike fear from Paris to Papua, and the World knows though we are the most benevolent world power in history, in fact, we invented it, our benovelence extends only until an American is killed. Then we unleash hell, and we don't care about fairness or proportion, or anything else.
I truly believe that if we were to do that, we would have groups forming to guard errant Americans lost in bad places, the world would be a safer and more peaceful place, and freedom would ring across the land faster than otherwise.
"Hey guys, we just want to trade and drink Cokes with you and listen to rock and roll and wear jeans with you. But if you mess with us, even a little, not only are we going to stomp your guts into the ground, but we're going to stomp your family, and your falafel stand, and your little dog Toto, too, if you have one which you don't, being that doggies are unclean according to your belief system."
Now my position is that we respond so fast and so hard and so "disproportionally" that we strike fear from Paris to Papua, and the World knows though we are the most benevolent world power in history, in fact, we invented it, our benovelence extends only until an American is killed. Then we unleash hell, and we don't care about fairness or proportion, or anything else.
I truly believe that if we were to do that, we would have groups forming to guard errant Americans lost in bad places, the world would be a safer and more peaceful place, and freedom would ring across the land faster than otherwise.
"Hey guys, we just want to trade and drink Cokes with you and listen to rock and roll and wear jeans with you. But if you mess with us, even a little, not only are we going to stomp your guts into the ground, but we're going to stomp your family, and your falafel stand, and your little dog Toto, too, if you have one which you don't, being that doggies are unclean according to your belief system."
insanemonkey
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I do think that people have the right to freedom. They should not have to worry about some idiot running their country killing their family for saying the wrong thing. But you can not force people to take responsibility for themselves. We see this same thing happening in America. People who are not willing to give what it takes for freedom.
We are trying to take a group of people who have settled for an abusive leaders and make them change their ways. We are trying to take groups of people and make them stop hating each other. Stuff like that takes generations to fix, not 10 years.
We are trying to take a group of people who have settled for an abusive leaders and make them change their ways. We are trying to take groups of people and make them stop hating each other. Stuff like that takes generations to fix, not 10 years.
Wow, really? Drop a bomb on them and kill all innocent men, women, and children. That's is exactly why you sir are not in charge of our military. Our job is to fight BAD GUYS, not kill civilians, I know it is an unfortunate result of warfare, but also it is to minimize the suffering of the innocents. Anyone who wants to kill all, in my opinion, harbors some other motivation. It saddens me to know that someone holds no regard for innocent lives....
We're fighting against a people that have no problem strapping bombs to their children and sending them off to die.
They need to be beaten decisively. Terror is what they understand. If you're trying to teach someone a lesson, you need to put it to them in a way they'll understand it. Anything less is a waste of time, effort, and in this case American lives.
They need to be beaten decisively. Terror is what they understand. If you're trying to teach someone a lesson, you need to put it to them in a way they'll understand it. Anything less is a waste of time, effort, and in this case American lives.
I think armedindy is saying that is not the charter of the U.S. military.
We are fighting some people who no regard for human lives. Again, that is sad, but there are the most who don't feel that way. And yes some tactics are futile against those who just simply don't care, which simply results in our soldiers losing their lives. The real tragedy is that they have died not for our freedom but for alot of people who simply don't give a damn, and will be fighting and killing themselves once we leave anyway. We have went the wrong way in fighting these people, ya I agree.
