Rule Number One: All Guns are always loaded

[ATM]

...The 4 rules are a mindset, not an algorithm.

Old #1 isn't a rule at all, it's pure nonsense.

I suppose it only still exists for people who have convinced themselves that safe gun handling is only for loaded guns.

 

[308jake]

So which is better CC or OC? 9mm or 45acp? Is it alright to wear white after Labor Day? Are aliens real? Which qb is the greatest of the modern era?

I always check to make sure a firearm is unloaded before I hand it to another person. I view this as safety etiquette, and I do this simply because I don't trust them to keep their booger hooks off the bang switch. If people would keep their fingers off the triggers until ready to shoot, there would be no issues with the safe handling of modern firearms.

 

[SubicWarrior1988]

Old #1 isn't a rule at all, it's pure nonsense.

I suppose it only still exists for people who have convinced themselves that safe gun handling is only for loaded guns.

We disagree, see how easy that is?

 

[bwframe]

If folks would follow and promote the Four Rules of Safe Firearms Handling, as opposed to looking for excuses not to, there would be no accidents.

 

[2A_Tom]

So which is better CC or OC? 9mm or 45acp? Is it alright to wear white after Labor Day? Are aliens real? Which qb is the greatest of the modern era?

I always check to make sure a firearm is unloaded before I hand it to another person. I view this as safety etiquette, and I do this simply because I don't trust them to keep their booger hooks off the bang switch. If people would keep their fingers off the triggers until ready to shoot, there would be no issues with the safe handling of modern firearms.

OC, .45 ACP, not according to Emily Post, no Farve, I always handle every gun safely.

I never point a gun at anything I am not willing to destroy. Why? Because ND's happen.

I din't place my finger on the trigger until i am ready to fire. Why? Because ND's happen.

I make sure I know my target and what is beyond my target. Why? Because ND's happen.

I consider every gun loaded until I personally clear it mechanically, visually and physically. Why? Because ND's happen.

 

[oldpink]

OC, .45 ACP, not according to Emily Post, no Farve, I always handle every gun safely.

I never point a gun at anything I am not willing to destroy. Why? Because ND's happen.

I din't place my finger on the trigger until i am ready to fire. Why? Because ND's happen.

I make sure I know my target and what is beyond my target. Why? Because ND's happen.

I consider every gun loaded until I personally clear it mechanically, visually and physically. Why? Because ND's happen.

Oh, now that's just crazy talk!

 

[308jake]

Elway never gets the love he deserves. If he wins another SB with The Great Turnover as qb1, he will go down as the greatest QB and GM of all time. At least in my mind. I think Favre is a close second, but Elway carried his teams many times alone. He's the Michael Jordan of football.

 

[2A_Tom]

Well, Montana, maybe.

 

[KG1]

Assume a firearm is loaded until you can safely verify that it isn't.

 

[2A_Tom]

Once upon a time I was a 1 rule guy. Never point a weapon at anything you are not willing to destroy. That is until my friend picked up his unloaded BB pistol and shot me in the arm.

 

[308jake]

Well, Montana, maybe.

He and Young were both great, but they had GREAT supporting casts too. Elway didn't have much till the final few years. I could understand an argument for Brady (Heaven forbid) simply because he has won with an ever changing cast of skill position players. Many of those guys were nothing before him (Welker) or joined well after their prime (Moss). This is not an all inclusive list of course. Plus, the Patriots have not had an elite running back for a long time.

Peyton is probably the greatest regular season qb of all time, but we all know how he does when the games count in the playoffs.

 

[ATM]

We disagree, see how easy that is?

Sure, that's easy, but the more interesting aspect would be why we disagree.

Care to discuss the reasoning?

 

[ATM]

If folks would follow and promote the Four Rules of Safe Firearms Handling, as opposed to looking for excuses not to, there would be no accidents.

If folks would follow and promote 100 Rules of Safe Gun Handling there would also be no accidents.

Really, only a couple safe gun handling rules are necessary to prevent tragedies, everything else ( to include etiquette, expansions and general good ideas) just clouds their importance or sets people up to fail.

 

[SubicWarrior1988]

Sure, that's easy, but the more interesting aspect would be why we disagree.

Care to discuss the reasoning?

Sure, I subscribe to Colonel Cooper's 4 rules of Gun Safety, you do not. It's quite simple and there's a chance we could both be right. I like the 4 rules mindset, it works for me. It works for a lot of people. I say whatever keeps you safe Alan and if it works for you, then kudos, i applaud safety.

 

[ATM]

...I consider every gun loaded until I personally clear it mechanically, visually and physically. Why? Because ND's happen.

So, once you consider it unloaded, do you still handle it safely or do you wantonly violate the actual safe gun handling rules?

 

[ATM]

Sure, I subscribe to Colonel Cooper's 4 rules of Gun Safety, you do not. It's quite simple and there's a chance we could both be right. I like the 4 rules mindset, it works for me. It works for a lot of people. I say whatever keeps you safe Alan and if it works for you, then kudos, i applaud safety.

Did you subscribe to Coopers one and only rule before it was shown to be inadequate or did you adopt the whole set after it was shored up with 3 more actual rules that can be followed?

 

[SubicWarrior1988]

Did you subscribe to Coopers one and only rule before it was shown to be inadequate or did you adopt the whole set after it was shored up with 3 more actual rules that can be followed?

Perhaps this will help.

http://www.lightlink.com/critters/gunsafety.htm

 

[ATM]

Perhaps this will help.

Jeff Cooper's Rules of Gun Safety

So, the whole set. Practicing the latter 3 is indeed safe gun handling, only the first one doesn't belong.

 

[SubicWarrior1988]

So, the whole set. Practicing the latter 3 is indeed safe gun handling, only the first one doesn't belong.

Fair enough, I'd like to shoot at the cville gun club sometime, is there a membership fee?

 

[ATM]

Fair enough, I'd like to shoot at the cville gun club sometime, is there a membership fee?

Yes, the yearly membership is 40 or 45, gets you a key to the gate. Can usually find board members there on Sunday mornings.