USPSA Carry Optic rule change.

[Slawburger]

Ben Stoeger Pro Shop sent out an email ad calling CO open division for poor people.

 

[Dog1]

Ben Stoeger Pro Shop sent out an email ad calling CO open division for poor people.

That confirms my belief that Stoeger is an annoying moron.

 

[rvb]

what a strange division... seems to have some kind of identity crisis. has to be on production gun list with production modification restrictions, 140mm mags, minor, and a dot.

I wonder if it would get lot more participation if they simplified it to be Limited plus slide-mounted dot. Seems a lot of folks saying they aren't interested in the current division due to holster placement, mods they have on carry guns (eg undercutting trigger guards) not allowed, etc.

-rvb

 

[cedartop]

what a strange division... seems to have some kind of identity crisis. has to be on production gun list with production modification restrictions, 140mm mags, minor, and a dot.

I wonder if it would get lot more participation if they simplified it to be Limited plus slide-mounted dot. Seems a lot of folks saying they aren't interested in the current division due to holster placement, mods they have on carry guns (eg undercutting trigger guards) not allowed, etc.

-rvb

I agree it is in an odd place, but if you make it limited with a dot, how is it different than Open? Comps, what else?

 

[rvb]

I agree it is in an odd place, but if you make it limited with a dot, how is it different than Open? Comps, what else?

comps, 170s, .354 major, and ability to frame mount the dot. It would be an in-between division.

-rvb

 

[Grelber]

That confirms my belief that Stoeger is an annoying moron.

"You thought Carry Optics was for old guys that just wanted to put a dot on their production guns only to reload every time they move. Well, you were wrong, Carry Optics is now for poor people that don't have the scratch for a proper open gun."


He had me at old guy that likes to reload.

Can't figure out USPSA sometimes, people work hard and develop really impressive skills, and then push for divisions that don't require any.

 

[rvb]

people work hard and develop really impressive skills, and then push for divisions that don't require any.

what division would that be?

-rvb

 

[Grelber]

what division would that be?

-rvb

Pretty much wherever you are adding orthopedic weirdo stuff (comps / rifle stuff / optics / huge magazines ) so that you do not have to shoot a gun the way that nature and rightness intended.

 

[Dog1]

"You thought Carry Optics was for old guys that just wanted to put a dot on their production guns only to reload every time they move. Well, you were wrong, Carry Optics is now for poor people that don't have the scratch for a proper open gun."


He had me at old guy that likes to reload.

Can't figure out USPSA sometimes, people work hard and develop really impressive skills, and then push for divisions that don't require any.

Then with that logic, Carry Optics should be right up your alley.

 

[Grelber]

Then with that logic, Carry Optics should be right up your alley.

So if you rag on me and Ben Stoeger both is that like a huge left handed compliment?

 

[Dog1]

So if you rag on me and Ben Stoeger both is that like a huge left handed compliment?

 

[7920drew]

Pretty much wherever you are adding orthopedic weirdo stuff (comps / rifle stuff / optics / huge magazines ) so that you do not have to shoot a gun the way that nature and rightness intended.

the difference is that once you add that stuff you have to shoot the guns at light speed to keep up with anyone winning. I think my open gun is much easier to shoot fast than my production gun, but my HFs in Open can't compete with good open shooters as well as my production HFs did in production.

 

[rvb]

Pretty much wherever you are adding orthopedic weirdo stuff (comps / rifle stuff / optics / huge magazines ) so that you do not have to shoot a gun the way that nature and rightness intended.

ever shot open, or just assuming it takes no skill?

-rvb

 

[Grelber]

ever shot open, or just assuming it takes no skill?

-rvb

I guess I should just give in and start using purple text. Really hate to though.

 

[rvb]

or get better at sarcasm

 

[jakemartens]

what a strange division... seems to have some kind of identity crisis. has to be on production gun list with production modification restrictions, 140mm mags, minor, and a dot.

I wonder if it would get lot more participation if they simplified it to be Limited plus slide-mounted dot. Seems a lot of folks saying they aren't interested in the current division due to holster placement, mods they have on carry guns (eg undercutting trigger guards) not allowed, etc.

-rvb

21.4 Grips
Replacement grip panels are allowed
provided they do not extend below the
butt of the gun to form a make-shift
magwell. Grip modifications such as,
but not limited to,
undercutting/smoothing the trigger
guard, adding or removing finger
grooves, or adding stippling, grip tape,
or checkering are specifically allowed,
without reference to Appendix
E4. Grip tape or grip sleeves cannot
disengage a grip safety.

Also
Milling of slide — only as required to insert


optical sights


A slide may be modified specifically for
the purpose of installing optical sights
or cocking serrations. Textured
finishes, grip tape, milling or stippling
on the slide to provide texture is also
allowed. Cuts that are designed to
specifically or significantly lighten the
slide, such as holes, are ruled as
competitive advantage and prohibited.

You can stipple, undercut and even remove the finger groves, plus you can tri-top, cut serrations, mill the slide as long as it doesn't create a slot, hole or port.
You also cannot open the magwell up

It is a hybird kind of thing, production approved gun ( or needs to have 500 made if not on the list)
can do grip modifications and slide modifications (slide mods are the same as single stack)

 

[rvb]

You can stipple, undercut and even remove the finger groves, plus you can tri-top, cut serrations, mill the slide as long as it doesn't create a slot, hole or port.
You also cannot open the magwell up

It is a hybird kind of thing, production approved gun ( or needs to have 500 made if not on the list)
can do grip modifications and slide modifications (slide mods are the same as single stack)

sorry, picked a bad example. but strange that yu can mod the frame but limited how much you can modify the slide, etc, etc, then have weight limits. especially don't like the weight limits... some prod guns ok, others not because of weight... but then I think on principle its bad to tailor a division for the purpose of promoting a specific brand/model. but that horse left the barn with 8-round revo...

-rvb

 

[jakemartens]

sorry, picked a bad example. but strange that yu can mod the frame but limited how much you can modify the slide, etc, etc, then have weight limits. especially don't like the weight limits... some prod guns ok, others not because of weight... but then I think on principle its bad to tailor a division for the purpose of promoting a specific brand/model. but that horse left the barn with 8-round revo...

-rvb

There was a lot of discussion about weight and additional modification
https://www.uspsa.org/bodminutes/20170121_Carry Optics Division 2016.pdf
There was a couple of proposed weight changes
Production +4oz
or a total weight of out to 51.99
The presentation on it goes over everything, it turned into a rather lengthy discussion
what we got was removing the capacity limits and just following the allowed 140mm mags

 

[sv40sw45]

There was a lot of discussion about weight and additional modification
https://www.uspsa.org/bodminutes/20170121_Carry Optics Division 2016.pdf
There was a couple of proposed weight changes
Production +4oz
or a total weight of out to 51.99
The presentation on it goes over everything, it turned into a rather lengthy discussion
what we got was removing the capacity limits and just following the allowed 140mm mags

Why have a weight of 45 oz. when a lot of Production legal guns weigh close to 50 oz. If you can get a scope on it and it is on the Production legal list it should be LEGAL for CO.

 

[jakemartens]

Why have a weight of 45 oz. when a lot of Production legal guns weigh close to 50 oz. If you can get a scope on it and it is on the Production legal list it should be LEGAL for CO.

"Carry"

Right now the only really popular production guns that are too fat are the Stock 2 & 3