Disarmed - -1 for LEO

[actaeon277]

My problem is, besides rights, is that the officer will ASSUME, "ok, now I have his gun".
But what about the one on the ankle, and the one in the glove compartment?
He sets himself up in a dangerous situation.

Do criminals only carry 1 gun?
Are we oddities because we lawfully carry?


And how many people here have been swept by an officer attempting to unload the gun?
I seem to remember a few stories here on INGO.

I would think if there was an "articulable reason", such as verbal threats, intimidation, etc., the officer would take the gun, handcuff you, and keep you in sight.
But take a gun, then turn his back on someone....... and that's for "officer safety"?

 

[Gluemanz28]

I'm not LEO but when someone has their video device rolling during an interaction and speaking in an aggressive tone my spidey senses would be going off and I would have done a thorough examination of any and all infractions.

 

[actaeon277]

I'm not LEO but when someone has their video device rolling during an interaction and speaking in an aggressive tone my spidey senses would be going off and I would have done a thorough examination of any and all infractions.

Any interactions with police, or interactions with the public while I'm carrying, I specifically try to maintain an even/neutral tone.
When one person starts yelling, then soon enough, everyone is yelling.
Not good.

 

[Droogie]

Any interactions with police, or interactions with the public while I'm carrying, I specifically try to maintain an even/neutral tone.
When one person starts yelling, then soon enough, everyone is yelling.

The driver started right out with a "dickish" tone, and got the same in response.

I'm sure many will disagree, but when I'm carrying, I believe I have a responsibility to behave better than that.

 

[actaeon277]

The driver started right out with a "dickish" tone, and got the same in response.

I'm sure many will disagree, but when I'm carrying, I believe I have a responsibility to behave better than that.

Because someone is "dickish" to someone, does not excuse that person being dickish.
Don't get me wrong, I've gotten worked up before at work, and had security escort me out of the plant.
But not while armed.
If I remember correctly, the officer was armed also.
He could have chosen the high ground instead of being "dickish".

 

[Droogie]

If I remember correctly, the officer was armed also. He could have chosen the high ground instead of being "dickish".

I think that's what happened in the end. The LEOs realized the guy was right, gave him as many tickets as possible, and cut their losses.

With 20/20 hindsight, I think the LEO could have handled things better (especially when I saw the pistol was in a holster). He was clearly baffled by the situation.

 

[Dosproduction]

any one have a second link for this. I can never watch stuff off of live linkes

 

[j706]

Children at play. Argue about anything and everything. In the end it got him three of four tickets. Pretty dumb IMO.

If I get stopped for a violation and the officer (for whatever reason) wants my gun, I will hand it over. I also will not be involved in name calling, insults and the badgering of the officers involved. In the end if I felt things where done wrong, take it up with the agency later.

 

[j706]

The driver started right out with a "dickish" tone, and got the same in response.

I'm sure many will disagree, but when I'm carrying, I believe I have a responsibility to behave better than that.

Well said!!

 

[Gluemanz28]

Because someone is "dickish" to someone, does not excuse that person being dickish.
Don't get me wrong, I've gotten worked up before at work, and had security escort me out of the plant.
But not while armed.
If I remember correctly, the officer was armed also.
He could have chosen the high ground instead of being "dickish".

When the guys started recording it set the tone for what the officers were going to do. If they don't let the youtube crowd know that if you act like a jerk you get treated like a jerk, it will spread like a disease.

 

[sidewinder27]

When the guys started recording it set the tone for what the officers were going to do. If they don't let the youtube crowd know that if you act like a jerk you get treated like a jerk, it will spread like a disease.

So you have a problem with a person recording their interaction with officer's? You have made it sound like just because a person chooses to record a police interaction they are up to no good when in fact it could be what keeps them from unjustified charges.

 

[Drail]

+1 - I see jerks every day but you can't arrest just because they're acting like a jerk. You kinda need to actually break a law to be arrested. At least I think that's how it supposed to work.

 

[bwframe]

Children at play. Argue about anything and everything. In the end it got him three of four tickets. Pretty dumb IMO...

Not to mention, painting the rest of gun owners as insolent rude people.

If you are going to post vids of confrontations with officers, for gods sake have your ducks in line.
Have your vehicle/insurance info in order.
DON'T grow inpatient and bait or cuss at the officers.
Don't cry when you get a pile of tickets, when you have behaved so poorly.

 

[Gluemanz28]

So you have a problem with a person recording their interaction with officer's? You have made it sound like just because a person chooses to record a police interaction they are up to no good when in fact it could be what keeps them from unjustified charges.

I have no problem with people recording at all. The clowns in the car kept asking what the laws were. If they are going to record and make any positive impact they need to be able to read and know what the laws are. They need to have a positive attitude and not be rude. The officers did over step their boundaries in taking the gun but they were never rude, even when they were disrespected.

Be a jerk to the police while recording on your personal device and you will win the stupid prize of the day. The clowns forced them to make harsh decisions they didn't want to make.

The only thing smart that the clowns in the car said was that they wouldn't inform next time. That is the best thing that could happen for gun owners. The clowns lost the ability to take it to a higher level with any success due to their attitude.

 

[ckcollins2003]

I have no problem with people recording at all. The clowns in the car kept asking what the laws were. If they are going to record and make any positive impact they need to be able to read and know what the laws are. They need to have a positive attitude and not be rude. The officers did over step their boundaries in taking the gun but they were never rude, even when they were disrespected.

Be a jerk to the police while recording on your personal device and you will win the stupid prize of the day. The clowns forced them to make harsh decisions they didn't want to make.

The only thing smart that the clowns in the car said was that they wouldn't inform next time. That is the best thing that could happen for gun owners. The clowns lost the ability to take it to a higher level with any success due to their attitude.

I disagree. They were asking what the laws were because they knew there was no law that allowed the police to take the weapon. If you listen to their tone you can clearly identify what they were getting at. They were wanting them to cite the law on camera... these guys weren't clowns. They are American citizens. Could they have acted more mature? Sure... but then again every police officer there gave the same b.s. excuse and violated their rights. I'd be pretty ticked off too if I asked for a supervisor who should know the law and takes the privilege to confiscate my legal firearm.

How did the guys in the car "force" the police to make harsh decisions? They didn't force the police to take the weapon, in fact they wanted the complete opposite. They wanted their ticket and to go on their way. The officers made their own decisions, they weren't forced to do anything except their job, which should have been to write a ticket and let them be on their way. The police were the ones forcing their opinion and power in that video. They forced themselves into the car and forcefully took the weapon away. It wasn't given to them...

An officer's opinion doesn't trump MY rights. I don't know about yours, but I'm an American and I don't care if I do have a bad attitude. That attitude doesn't give anyone permission to violate my rights or take my gun.

 

[snowwalker]

As a gun owner, I was taught to 'avoid' any conflicts as much as possible. These two 'boys' went the opposite way by looking for conflict. If that is your style then I wish you good luck. If the officer is out of line then address it later with his superiors. I would hate to be an officer in todays climate and the moral decay of society as it continues to decline and was shown by the two 'boys' in the car.

 

[Trigger Time]

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For one, he's not arguing with you over the gun anymore. I believe in complying with an officer. If I feel the officer is wrong I will take the matter up with his superior. Not escalate the in the field. Where it puts me and the officer at risk for harm.

nope sorry. My natural rights are just as important and protected as the laws the officer is enforcing. It's none of their business if I'm carrying at least in Indiana. And I will not be playin mr suck-up and laying anything out on the table for him to make a case against me or possibly shoot me with my own gun.
Just because they are a cop doesn't mean they know jack about guns. Same goes for prior military. Don't assume anything because of a title.
also since when had it flipped from public servants giving citizens great service to now .. Citizen must bend over backwards to ensure officer remains calm has a great day and doesn't get nervous over me going about my day?
I will not inform and I will not answer any fishing expedition questions. Therefore no feelings will get hurt. No ego is involved. It's simply me protecting myself and my freedom through excercising rights guarenteed by the constitution that are JUST as important as any law that's being enforced. In my opinion even more important. All the good cops I've met or read on ingo don't do that ****. (Not saying all the cops here are good. But we have a lot that are) They are the kind of cops we need.

 

[Trigger Time]

And I didn't watch the video. I don't see the point. I'm not gonna get worked up about something that didn't happen to me where most likely someone was intentionaly being a dick to a cop to get a desired result.
like I said earlier, if I encounter a cop there is no ego or machoism involved. I have nothing to prove or to be puffed up about. I will remain silent and comply with legal request. I don't see myself being dragged out of the car for that and if I am then that's a whole other issue. The good cops know the law and will protect your rights and just wanna do their job and get both of you on your way. I have to believe this or all hope is lost

 

[AA&E]

I want to go home at the end of my day too but I don't insist on holding everybody's gun that I talk to "for my safety". How would a police officer feel if every citizen wanted to hold HIS gun while having a conversation (for their safety) and he was required to do that? "Here, I'll hold yours and you can hold mine." Everybody gotta feel "safe", right? Safety is an illusion. Illusions should not trump the Bill of Rights and lawmakers need to stop legislating only so someone can "feel safe". That's the kind of logic that brought us the T.S.A.

Are you a cop?? If not, how can you even justify your comment. It doesn't make the slightest sense. A cop handing you his gun for your safety. Yeah, rite.

I don't think an officer asking to hold a legally carried weapon makes sense either. He has nothing to fear from people that aren't criminals. Criminals don't concern themselves with permits.. nor can they get one if they have a record. A person having a permit indicates on some level the kind of person you are dealing with. one that has kept his nose clean and has no serious criminal history. That in itself should create some latitude IMO.

 

[AA&E]

The driver started right out with a "dickish" tone, and got the same in response.

I'm sure many will disagree, but when I'm carrying, I believe I have a responsibility to behave better than that.

I agree with this. Hot heads shouldn't carry.