IronHorseman
Marksman
Here are my comments on the subject posted at Glock Talk. Glock Talk - View Single Post - 10mm Hunting in Indiana!!!
Pretty interesting stuff. I too have been peeved about not being able to use my 30-30 on white tail when I can keep 'em in the 9 ring at 125 yds pretty easily, and know darn good and well it has enough knockdown power. Whilst perusing the levergun offerings at GB, I did begin wondering why so many other calibers that would be super on whitetail are not allowed in our little state, and why larger handgun cartridges like the 10 are illegal. I'm not dense enough to get that one doesn't want to take the Lorcin .380 to the treestand, or let city boys out into God's country with 30-06s. But, that said, there are a LOT of calibers and loadings in between that would work just fine. Why the need to exact so much control? Or is it just that, a need to control? Sorta makes me wonder. And, no, Jack. I don't trust the DNR's judgement on very much at all. All it takes is observation to see them screw up on a fairly regular basis.
I`m 110% pro gun but some people lack the common sense to hunt.
Just for arguments sake, and sorry if this a sort of thread jack, I say let the DNR make the cartridge rules on public land. And here comes the can o worms, let the landowner set the cartridge restrictions on privately owned land. The DNR can handle the regs for those hunting in the overpopulated public venues. And the person that owns the private land, that knows the terrain, knows the hunters, knows the neighbors and the neighbors hunters, can dictate whatever round they feel is safe.(as long as it's a round capable of humanely killing a deer) And there ya go, problem solved. All you have to do is convince the landowner where you hunt, that your Bren 10 ain't a gonna shoot yer neighbors cows or kids, and your in like flint.
Just for arguments sake, and sorry if this a sort of thread jack, I say let the DNR make the cartridge rules on public land. And here comes the can o worms, let the landowner set the cartridge restrictions on privately owned land. The DNR can handle the regs for those hunting in the overpopulated public venues. And the person that owns the private land, that knows the terrain, knows the hunters, knows the neighbors and the neighbors hunters, can dictate whatever round they feel is safe.(as long as it's a round capable of humanely killing a deer) And there ya go, problem solved. All you have to do is convince the landowner where you hunt, that your Bren 10 ain't a gonna shoot yer neighbors cows or kids, and your in like flint.
Here's a better idea since the deer herd is a public resource to be managed for the maximum benefit of the people who buy a license to hunt them, let the people who've bought a license for 2 consecutive years vote on the rules for hunting them. Let the people who buy guns for punching holes in paper vote on the rules for paper punching sports.
Here's another one I could go with, let the people who live in Marion county vote on the rules for hunting in Marion county and all the rest of the people in the rest of the counties vote on the rules and license fees for hunting in the county where they live. Any one who don't like the rules can hunt in their own county where they, their own neighbors and their own families live.
This statment may be true for you and some others. However there are just to many that people that have 10mm that would see this as a way to just unload them on a live target. Even if they have never hunted anythig before. Just remember that most don't have the control or skill you have. I would not want to be in the same woods with some owners I have seen. JMP
Just for arguments sake, and sorry if this a sort of thread jack, I say let the DNR make the cartridge rules on public land. And here comes the can o worms, let the landowner set the cartridge restrictions on privately owned land. The DNR can handle the regs for those hunting in the overpopulated public venues. And the person that owns the private land, that knows the terrain, knows the hunters, knows the neighbors and the neighbors hunters, can dictate whatever round they feel is safe.(as long as it's a round capable of humanely killing a deer) And there ya go, problem solved. All you have to do is convince the landowner where you hunt, that your Bren 10 ain't a gonna shoot yer neighbors cows or kids, and your in like flint.
That has nothing to do with the 10mm, for those whom you refer to should not hunt in the first place.
I feel I am loosing respect for your opinion, which I have previously held in high regard.
I find your arguments to be shallow and ill informed.
Maybe the rules should be changed so that you have to qualify with the weapon you want to use. This way you would be able to show you have the skill and power to make a safe clean kill. After all this is what everyone wants. This would be noted on you licensee (just like what a trucker has).This way you could use what you wanted (with-in common sense) and the state would get more money.(that is what they want) Because I don't think you can separate the power from skill when talking about this. Just my opinion
Sounds good on the surface, but a lot of people hunt land that is only a 10 acre spread owned by one family, and the surrounding land is farm land owned by other people.
The laws have to do with preventing your high power rifle cartridge from going a mile and killing someone out of eye sight as well as preventing mouse cartridges from being used and animals being needlessly wounded.
Maybe the rules should be changed so that you have to qualify with the weapon you want to use. This way you would be able to show you have the skill and power to make a safe clean kill. After all this is what everyone wants. This would be noted on you licensee (just like what a trucker has).This way you could use what you wanted (with-in common sense) and the state would get more money.(that is what they want) Because I don't think you can separate the power from skill when talking about this. Just my opinion
I got lot's more you need to be qualified to do other than stepping out on a target range under a roof and poking a few holes in a piece of paper and heading out to granpa's farm. There's a lot more to hunting than jumping off the 4 wheeler, climbing up the tree grandma points at and shooting a deer out from under a 50 gallon feeder.
Jack, I know we disagreed on the pistol caliber rifles for deer but I still believe there is a place for responsible hunters to use them. I believe there is a place for rifles in rifle calibers too, after all we are already using them on coyotes. The more I study on this 10mm thing the more I don`t like it.